Rescue List

[RKCM]

I wonder if the rescues kept a list of the dogs that unethical breeders wouldn't take back that it would reduce the number of rescues or sales for the slugs. Looks like they should have to take care of their own but then, you have to wonder about the home there too.

We microchip our pups which protects them to some degree. Most rescues will scan the dog when it is taken into rescue. Does your rescue scan and do they notify the breeder or just owner or what? Marcia tells me they always scan their dogs when they are taken in.

[Dobs4ever]

There is not rescue list for this kind of thing. I have been told that half the time they do not scan or if they do they do not even bother to contact the breeder. They just automatically assume that the breeder would not take the dog. If they get paperwork then they know who the breeder is.

I am on the DPCA rescue list and have not been impressed as they are all usually fighting for funds.

[Panama]

When a chip is registered, why can't the breeder be listed as 1st contact? I don't believe the 2nd contact can change that info with the registry. This way, the breeder would be contacted first, no matter what. Just an idea...

[Dobs4ever]

Panama Once a chip is reg it at list with Avid I am listed as the purchaser since I a box at a time so I am always listed as the original purchaser and owner so once I was called.'However, it is interesting to note that the chip needs to be registered because if it came down to a dispute the reg owner of the chip OWNS the dog.

[Panama]

I figured that would be a good avenue.

[Rhiannon]

That is a very valid point Becky. I have been told the same thing about the registered owner of the chip is legally the owner of the dog in the event of legal issues. So if a new owner does not transfer ownership of the chip to themselves technically they could lose their dog. Anyone else heard of this also?

[Dobs4ever]

That is what my above post said.

[RKCM]

Having a chip just helps to identify the pup with a number and I am the contact on the chip. I don't know how I could say I was the owner of the dog when they have a contract. I just thought it was good to do if the dog was lost etc. and of course, required to ofa the dog. I really don't know the technicality of a chip, just that my name is on the chip since I bought it. I haven't always done this but am from now.

Just a thought if everyone had to take care of their own dogs, that there wouldn't be so many rescues. You have to wonder where all these dogs come from and just who bred the dog.

I know the rescue in Bixby scans the dogs if there is a question of ownership & maybe always do...?? I would think a lot of rescues do that. The ones I have had in Osage county did not have a chip and were checked. I would think other rescues would too but really don't know. Marcia was the DPCA chair. I don't think she is currently. She was who had Reagon, my last foster.

[RKCM]

That is a very valid point Becky. I have been told the same thing about the registered owner of the chip is legally the owner of the dog in the event of legal issues. So if a new owner does not transfer ownership of the chip to themselves technically they could lose their dog. Anyone else heard of this also?

I have never heard of someone losing their dog because of the chip. I have heard of owners being located.

[RKCM]

That is a very valid point Becky. I have been told the same thing about the registered owner of the chip is legally the owner of the dog in the event of legal issues. So if a new owner does not transfer ownership of the chip to themselves technically they could lose their dog. Anyone else heard of this also?

I have never heard of someone losing their dog because of the chip. I have heard of owners/breeders being located.

[Dobs4ever]

Each chip comes with a transfer brochure so the new owner of the dog can transfer the chip to their name. For their protection they need to do this because if the dog is lost they will contact the original owner of the chip. In legal manners even AKC paperwork is not as binding as the reg owner of the chip. My families all get the correct info and brochure to reg they chip to them.

[Panama]

Where I was going with that was..... if the chip remained registered to the breeder and the owner of the dog listed as second point of contact, wouldn't that help keep dogs out of rescues & shelters? Wouldn't that keep them out of potential situation? As well as inform the breeder the dog was either picked up running at large or relinquished by owner. If relinquished by the person that bought the dog, wouldn't this give the breeder rights to go get the dog (seeing the chip is registered to the breeder)?

If the dog was picked up as a stray, at least the breeder is aware of what is going on and can call the owner personally. Don't you think this would make purchasers aware that the breeder is following their dogs and how it is or isn't being cared for?

[Dobs4ever]

Good point Panama - I encourage my families to reg themselves as the first contact - after all they are probably in the same state so would be easier for them to get the dog - I might be further away. Then I list myself as the 2nd contact. That way they (whoever finds the dog) would also have my contact info.

With Avid however - I am always listed as the original purchaser of the chip for contact info if they can't get anyone else. At least that has been my experience. I am assuming if a vet orders the chips to keep on hand it would be the same thing.

The chip really needs to be reg with the owner of the dog for less problems if something should happen that would requires legal clarification. Since the AKC papers are in their name I feel that they should go by the legal reg owner of the dog not the chip. This just created a legal mess.

I personally think what keeps puppies out of shelters is responsible breeding practices, spay/neuter agreement, limited registration and chipping - ALONG with breeders doing their job in screening potential families not just getting the money. Should I also include leash laws should be enforced. When I drive along and see two dogs humping in some yard I want to throw up - Letting dogs run loose and breed at will.

A couple years ago I had 2 of my girls in heat. I had put them out in the back yard for a short time. In 5 years I had never had a stray dog come to our house. I looked out in the back yard and there merrily running around was a little JRT type dog. I ran screaming out the door and he scurried out of the fence and ran off a short distance. So I changed my tactics. Left the girls out. Watched for when he came back in an took out treats - caught the little rescal and left him outside all night in the crate (it was spring - Next morning I had full intentions of taking him to the pound and have him neutered but say a name tag on his collar I called them and told them I was on the way to the pound - they begged me to let them have him back.

So I went to meet them - that dog had traveled almost 5 MILES!!! The husband was in the Air force - when he met me he started to apologize and I went off on him like you would not believe - Called him irresponsible if he knew his dog roamed then NEUTER him no one was waiting anxiously for his contribution to the gene pool. I was livid. Poor guy - He sure got a piece of my mind on unreg - unneutered dogs and their care.

I told him if that dog ever showed up at my door again I would neuter him myself!!!!

We have the laws on the books now to help solve the problem - but people have to follow them. Breeders MUST screen and place on limited reg - each of these steps if followed by everyone will drastically reduce the shelters as long as we don't just import more from Mexico.

ADDED: I forgot to add - I do not think (responsible) breeders are the problem - It is my understanding that 70% of dog in shelters are MUTTS! DESIGNER dogs what have you. Unregistered equals unwanted - Throw aways - JMHO

[SnuzerDog]

To the original post, I'm not aware of our group having any list of returned dogs, although it does happen occasionally much to the chagrin of our Director. As a matter of fact, a dog was returned just a couple weeks ago, and word got around to the Director that some of the fosters at the event heard the adopting couple arguing- basically the wife not wanting to adopt, but the husband insisting. Our Director was livid that no one had passed this observation on to her, as she would've pulled the plug on it before the adoption could take place. She is very thorough in making sure the adopters are ready, willing and able to handle the dog they want.

Now, on the chipping. Our group chips every dog with the group as the primary contact, but we give the adopters the info to add their names to the list of contacts. Then when the yearly subscription renewal comes due, the new owner is responsible to renew and 'change ownership' with the chip company. I believe this is part of the contract they have to sign.

[RKCM]

Snuzer, this is what I do too but renew it if they don't change the information. Glad to hear your rescue does this. It's a good thing for the dogs. I don't know of a rescue that keeps a list of breeders either.

[Dobs4ever]

Snuzer -I can understand this for the rescues as the people do not have AKC reg paperwork anyway. If a dog is already chipped do you rechip?? Just curious.

Where AKC paperwork is involved it becomes a much more difficult problem. I feel that since they have AKC reg then they should have ownership of the chip to avoid all problems, but then I trust my families.

[RKCM]

Snuzer -I can understand this for the rescues as the people do not have AKC reg paperwork anyway. If a dog is already chipped do you rechip?? Just curious.

Where AKC paperwork is involved it becomes a much more difficult problem. I feel that since they have AKC reg then they should have ownership of the chip to avoid all problems, but then I trust my families.

I've never heard of a rescue rechipping the dog, but it is a contact to locate the owner, if in question. I have never had a rescue that was chipped. I have had some that had papers and after the dogs was fixed, the papers went with the dog. Although, I only have one or two a year and usually, there are no papers. That was also before they allowed unregistered dogs in obedience. I wonder what snuzer's rescues do?

4ever, do you register the chip in their name or yours on dogs you placed, 4ever? I've always registered the chip in my name and given them the chip. It is required when my vet does them. I have thought of ordering them and doing them myself and that would be a different situation. I guess, I could register them in their name then. Good point.

With the economy, I've heard we are seeing more and more owners giving up their dogs that are registered, but usually not from a breeder that takes the dogs back. The rescues usually find really good homes and do what the breeder should of done. Just makes me sick.....

[Dobs4ever]

Because I provide my own chips - I am the original purchaser which is forever on the id info. When they pick up their puppy and after they have had the vet check then they are assigned AKC paperwork to reg on line and given the chip info to reg in their own name.

I have never had a problem in over 10 years of doing it this way.

[SnuzerDog]

Snuzer -I can understand this for the rescues as the people do not have AKC reg paperwork anyway. If a dog is already chipped do you rechip?? Just curious.

Where AKC paperwork is involved it becomes a much more difficult problem. I feel that since they have AKC reg then they should have ownership of the chip to avoid all problems, but then I trust my families.

Good question! I will guess that we do re-chip, simply to keep all dogs on the same program, with a year of service built into all adoptions. But, I will ask at our next event just for the sake of knowing.

I would guess it could get pretty messy with AKC registered dogs coming and going a couple times! :(