help; 2 new pups

[newdobes]

hello i am a proud new owner of 2 doberman pups this week their ears are being cropped im looking for some assistance on aftercare for 2 at a time should iseparate them all day? ,at night only ? better ear wrap etc...if someone knows about this please help me thanx

[Fonfy]

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[arwclubhouse]

hello i am a proud new owner of 2 doberman pups this week their ears are being cropped im looking for some assistance on aftercare for 2 at a time should iseparate them all day? ,at night only ? better ear wrap etc...if someone knows about this please help me thanx

I really can't answer because I have only had one pup at a time and sometimes having just one was more than I could handle, lol!!

Hopefully someone else can chime in, especially the breeders on here, and give you some good advice.

Good luck!! You're probably going to need it with raising two Doberman(n) pups at once :eek:, Lol!! :D

[TrinityDobes]

I have had to deal with as many as 13 pups at one time, and it is a challenge :D

If it were me, when you pick them up from the vet make sure they send you home with one of those e-collars, aka: the cone collar. If not you can purchase themat PetSmart. You will have a better chance of being successful with the after care if you can keep the collars on until the stitches come out. :rolleyes:

My pups are crate trained by the time their ears are done at 7 1/2 weeks, so during the day, the collars are left on, and removed to go in their crate at night to sleep.

I would feed the morning meal with out the collars, and as soon as they are done eating, I would slaver / coat the ear edges with triple antibiotic (dollar store generic is fine) having the cones on will help keep them from licking the ointment off each others ears and keep them from chewing on them too. :eek: I usually coat the ear edges in the AM, again early evening and then once the collars come off and they are put in their crates alone *grin* I really coat the ears at bed time so it can soak in while they sleep.

If you don't use the ecollars - they can scratch with their hind legs and their little nails can "hook" the stitches on the ear edges, the stitches is what holds the ear leather (skin) up to the cartiledge edge, with out the stitching, the skin can draw back from the ear edge and affect the over all end result of the cropped edge.

Also without the cones I can guarantee you they will spend hours licking the ointment off each others ears and that licking and nibbling can also loosen or pull the stitches out.

I am sure your vet will give you after care instructions and should send home some pain killers enough for 4 days usually, am & pm. If he does not, please post back here again and I will be glad to help.

Stitches are usually removed day 5-7 approximately, if you wait til day 10 to remove you get those little bumps where the stitches went through the ears.

They really do get along just fine with the cones, and if you have one or both pups that really want to scratch the ears (cause they do get itchy while healing) then you may need to leave the cone on even while sleeping at night.

Good luck and hope this helped - you will be amazed how inventive they can be with those collars on! keep us posted!

[RKCM]

I have had to deal with as many as 13 pups at one time, and it is a challenge :D

If it were me, when you pick them up make sure they send you home with one of those e-collars or cone collars. If not you can purchase themat PetSmart. You will have a better chance of being successful with the after care if you can keep the collars on until the stitches come out. :rolleyes:

My pups are crate trained by the time their ears are done at 7 1/2 weeks, so during the day, the collars are left on, and removed to go in their crate at night to sleep.

I would feed the morning meal with out the collars, and as soon as they are done eating, I would slaver / coat the ear edges with triple antibiotic (dollar store generic is fine) having the cones on will help keep them from licking the ointment off each others ears and keep them from chewing on them too. :eek: I usually coat the ear edges in the AM, again early evening and then once the collars come off and they are put in their crates alone *grin* I really coat the ears at bed time so it can soak in while they sleep.

If you don't use the ecollars - they can scratch with their hind legs and their little nails can "hook" the stitches on the ear edges, the stitches is what holds the ear leather (skin) up to the cartiledge edge, with out the stitching, the skin can draw back from the ear edge and affect the over all end result of the cropped edge.

Also without the cones I can guarantee you they will spend hours licking the ointment off each others ears and that licking and nibbling can also loosen or pull the stitches out.

I am sure your vet will give you after care instructions and should send home some pain killers enough for 4 days usually, am & pm. If he does not, please post back here again and I will be glad to help.

Stitches are usually removed day 5-7 approximately, if you wait til day 10 to remove you get those little bumps where the stitches went through the ears.

They really do get along just fine with the cones, and if you have one or both pups that really want to scratch the ears (cause they do get itchy while healing) then you may need to leave the cone on even while sleeping at night.

Good luck and hope this helped - you will be amazed how inventive they can be with those collars on! keep us posted!

First, I have never had to use any type of collar on the dog e or otherwise to prevent scratching. If the ears are healing properly they won't scratch them and you trim nails. You can use sockie hats to prevent an accident. If you have a problem seperate the puppies but do not shock them. You are dealing with fear factor at this age and it is a very bad idea! Here is a picture of a sockie hat and one of our pups up on cups. We take them out at 6 days for the upper stitches and 8 days for the lower stitches. You should not have to dig them out and if you did, they were left too long. 10 days is too long and causes scars. The pumps are stitches that are imbedded!

We remove the socks daily and put new socks on and discontinue after 3 days but you can use them longer, some people do. We put antibiotics on the ears until they are healed and wouldn't use dollar store anything, as it is often expired and some of there 1/2 strength meds are cheap for a reason.

Putting them on cups with socks works and only in extreme situations would you use that donut around their neck. I've never had to use it except on a bitch that was spayed and NEVER recommend shocking puppies or any dog for that matter!! Too many dangers. How I missed this post, not sure. Hope those poor pups didn't get buzzed!

[RKCM]

I guess I'm just in a mood this AM but breeders that care about their puppies crop their ears for you so that they are done properly. And don't sell you two puppies at a time because of the problems in raising two together in bonding and other training. I am thinking you are the breeder? Or you got them from someone that was a greeder. Just frankly speaking.

[Logan]

I guess I'm just in a mood this AM but breeders that care about their puppies crop their ears for you so that they are done properly. And don't sell you two puppies at a time because of the problems in raising two together in bonding and other training. I am thinking you are the breeder? Or you got them from someone that was a greeder. Just frankly speaking.

Agreed with you RKCM, but if you look it a old thread anyways, so guess the OP never came back.

[Logan]

Shocking puppies? That's the worst advice that I have ever read!!! And I think it should be against the law to shock a puppy after cropping.

If Trinity is a breeder, she should be banned. That's the worst suggestion I've ever heard and why we have the animal activists so against cropping.

Thank you RK for posting and showing a humane solution. The sockies are cute and looks like it would protect the ear somewhat. Thank U


OMG i ROFL here, she didn't meant a electric shock collar, she meant a elizabeth collar, you know the cone of shame, LMAO.HAHAHAHAHA ,Where the heck you were reading its a shock collar >>>Sorry but still laughing hard here,

[Panama]

Trinity is not talking about a shock collar.. she was referring to an Elizabethan Collar (the cone) that goes around the dogs neck to keep them from scratching their ears. They are also used to keep them from licking or chewing on an incision or stitches if they have from a surgical procedure. If you read her complete post, you will see she also refers to it as "the cone" (numerous times).

[Logan]

Trinity is not talking about a shock collar.. she was referring to an Elizabethan Collar (the cone) that goes around the dogs neck to keep them from scratching their ears. They are also used to keep them from licking or chewing on an incision or stitches if they have from a surgical procedure. If you read her complete post, you will see she also refers to it as "the cone" (numerous times).

Thanks Pam, i'm glad i wasn't the only one, who read it right :)

[RKCM]

Thanks for clearing that up and glad she meant something else because shocking puppies is just ridiculous to even consider! Glad you talked with Trinity about this because it could be understood she adviced to shock puppy and surely that is not what was meant. I was shocked when I read it.


An E-collar is defined as the following:

By Alexis Writing, eHow Contributor

Print this articleAn e-collar is an electronic collar used in dog training. An electronic collar administers a small electric shock to the neck of the dog who is wearing it. Electronic collars take several forms, each used for different functions. An electronic collar may be used as a bark deterrent, and have a sensor or microphone that shocks the dog when he barks. An e-collar also may be remote controlled and may be used to prevent a dog from doing unwanted behavior or pulling on walks. Depending on your reasons for using the e-collar, several alternatives may be available



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An Elizabethan collar is line one of those cones made of plastic to prevent the dog from scratching and is worn around the neck. We prefer the sockies and have never had to use it.

Looks like Trinity has edited her post so that the meaning is clear. Thank YOU.

[Panama]

I guess it all depends on what website you look at.... all 3 of these pertain to the E-Collar also.

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/elizabethan-collars-for-dogs-e-collars/page1.aspx

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art48548.asp

http://dogs.thefuntimesguide.com/2008/08/dog_ecollar.php

[RKCM]

Wow! Lots of collars with the same name. That makes it really confusing for someIone looking for help.

Let me say that I know no one that would shock a puppy, even with a buzz. None of our pups have ever had to use a Elizabethan Collar or cone. They have not been necessary if the ears are not infected and they make it very hard for the puppy to sleep etc. We just don't use them and Teresa, our handler who is here said she has never used them, nor did her mother (DobMann). If your pups are messing with their ears seperate them for a week and make sure the nails are done. The ears will be completely healed in a ten days and then, it's all about keeping the posts in.

Glad you clarified this with Trinity. Just don't want people thinking e-collars as defined should be use on pups. As you know I don't think they should be used on any dog but then, that's another thread. Thanks.

[Panama]

I haven't spoken with Trinity. It is stated clearly in her post what she was referring to.

A little experiment: Call the vet you use or any local vet and ask them how much an E-collar is. At the vet's office, probably about $10-$15

Jeffer's carries the "comfy cone" (an alternative to the plastic E-collar) which is flexible material with velcro, for $15-$27 and the plastic E-collars (cones) for $4.50-$9.50 depending on what size you need (as they are made for cats also).

Petsmart carries the clear plastic E-collars also
http://www.petsmart.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=e-collar&origkw=e+collar&sr=1

[Logan]

we don't have to talk to Trinity, just have to read carefully the post and then you can read, she calls it the cone a few times in her post too. Everybody know the "Cone of shame" and there was no where to read she used a electric collar or would use it on puppies and even a Novize would think normaly on a elizabethan collar when it comes to ears and puppies, not of a shock collar or maybe its just me ;). Most Vets will send dogs home with a Elizabethan collar after a surgery, no matter if its ears or spaying or neutering, if someone will use it afterwards, its their personal choice. And oldies in the dogworld should really know that term ;)

[nterry]

In my country, we do not have the problems with puppies since we are not allowed to crop. An e-collar is a shock collar used during World Wars and still referred to as that and no longer used legally. A cone is just a cone collar, we don't refer to this as our queen. LOL. Difference of language but never shock a puppy or any dog.

[Panama]

Any vet I've used for spay/neuter or surgical procedure other then a crop, has ALWAYS sent the dog home with an E-COLLAR (and I was billed for and paid for an E-COLLAR), in NY, ME, FL & AL (oh wait, New York, Maine, Florida & Alabama, didn't want to confuse anyone).

I guess when giving directions to post ears, I shouldn't say "insert the post or taped backer rod into the pup's ear"... I wouldn't want a novice to actually think I'd expect them to shove a fence post into the pup's ear.

Come on... look at the physical differences between the two products being discussed. How is an electric shock collar going to stop a dog from scratching its ears, chewing or licking a wound or incision site. It won't! Unless someone physically pushing a button? It's not! The E-collar (aka: Elizabethan Collar) keeps them from being able to scratch their head or face area (not just for cropping purposes) and also keeps them from being able to reach back and chew or lick at an incision from spay/neuter or other surgical procedure.

[Logan]

Any vet I've used for spay/neuter or surgical procedure other then a crop, has ALWAYS sent the dog home with an E-COLLAR (and I was billed for and paid for an E-COLLAR), in NY, ME, FL & AL (oh wait, New York, Maine, Florida & Alabama, didn't want to confuse anyone).

I guess when giving directions to post ears, I shouldn't say "insert the post or taped backer rod into the pup's ear"... I wouldn't want a novice to actually think I'd expect them to shove a fence post into the pup's ear.

Come on... look at the physical differences between the two products being discussed. How is an electric shock collar going to stop a dog from scratching its ears, chewing or licking a wound or incision site. It won't! Unless someone physically pushing a button? It's not! The E-collar (aka: Elizabethan Collar) keeps them from being able to scratch their head or face area (not just for cropping purposes) and also keeps them from being able to reach back and chew or lick at an incision from spay/neuter or other surgical procedure.

AGAIN thank you very much, i never would have come of the idea, to think, she meant a shock collar, til someone came up with this idea and you are right, i still have some vetbills here, were it says E-collar on it. I got billed for one when i got my male neutered and its was the cone of shame aka E collar and not a shockcollar ;)

[Panama]

Yes, I've had a dog lick after being neutered as well as a female licking her incision after being spayed. If the situatation called for it, I have used the E-collar.

Also had a foster that had to have hip surgery, and twice she'd opened the incision because she could not be watched 24/7, so I used the E-collar on her so she'd heal up.

I have never used a shock collar or an ultrasonic training collar.

I guess we need to get vets, PetSmart, Jeffers, Petco and other pet supply places to correct the title/name of the items they sell as they are or might be confusing people.

[Panama]

Sometimes this list is amusing, now we are arguing about e-collars which can be electric shock collars or cones. What difference does it make?

Makes a big difference when someone thinks another member is suggesting to use a shock collar on 7-8 wk old puppies.

[RKCM]

Wow! I will take the blame, nothing against anyone, but an e-collar to me was a shock collar. I stand corrected, let's move on. But I will say that if I thought it could be this, so would other people.

If you have other ways to prevent puppies from scratching their ears, please share that. Like I said we use the sockies that work well.

Thanks for the comments on our puppy, we think he's beautiful too.

[Panama]

If they are a member- they could of came to the HUB and explained.

She has clarified in her initial post!