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Jeff P
09-07-2008, 08:26 AM
Signs of Dog Mange

"Signs of Dog Mange include red hairless areas and constant itching by your dog. Since diagnosis is difficult begin treatment to see if there is any response to treatment. Prescription and over the counter approaches are effective. "

Signs of Dog Mange refers to microscopic bugs in the mite family that burrow under your dogs skin. The mites are too small to be seen by a naked eye and is often referred to as having a mangy dog. There are two types of canine mange called Demodectoc Mange and Sarcoptic Mange and Sarcoptic mange (also called scabies).

Canine Mange in mature dogs should be kept under control by a strong immune system. Dogs that get mange tend to either are young, so their immune system isn’t fully developed or are older and have a weakened immune system due to some other cause. Look for other factors that may be the cause such as cortisnone injections (steroids), diabetes, cushings disease or hypothyroidism.

Symptoms Mange Dogs
The symtoms mange dogs are usually:
- Small red hairless area
- Hairless area with pimples, thick skin and puss
- Scaling around the eyes, mouth and front legs
- Itching since the motion of the mite in and on the skin is extremely itchy. (intense scratching or itching is a characteristic of scabies – also knows as sarcoptic mange)
Diagnosis of Signs of Dog Mange
Your veterinarian will scrape your dog’s skin and analyze the sample under a microscope for mites. The diagnosis for demodectic mange and sarcoptic mange is based on the type of mite that is found. Cigar shaped mites are demodectic and round mites are sarcoptic.

Since diagnosis are only accurate 50% of the time (mites may have been removed by your dogs constant scratching leaving only itchy toxins behind), most owners will treat for mange and see if there is a reduction in symptoms.
Treatment for the Signs of Dog Mange
Different treatments are used depending on the type of mange your dog has and the age of the dog.

For younger dogs the mange should heal itself in 6 to 8 weeks. Cases of several months are not unusual.

Canine Mange DipYou Veterinarian will often prescribe Paramite dip (an organophosphate), Mitaban dip (Amitraz) not available over the counter. Mitaban can be particularly toxic to animals. The disease typically resolves within one month to six months of application of treatments.

You may also use Dermisil for Pet Mange . This is a way to treat the mange outbreak without prescription. It mixes with your dog's normal shampoo making for easier application.

When using a dip such as Paramite or Mitaban wear gloves and only use in a place with good ventilation. Sponge on the dip for 10 minutes, allowing your dog’s feet to soak in the rinse. Let the dip dry on the dog. Repeat the process every 2 weeks (read the directions on the dip carefully). Keep your dog from getting wet between treatments.

Treatments should continue for 3 months. There are side effects (most often seen in puppies) such as tiredness, vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness and an odd walk or gait.

Antihistamine for Itching – Itching can be helped with antihistamines such as Benadryl (diphenhydramine) with dosage based on your dog’s weight (1 to 3 milligrams per pound).

If you have more than one pet or dog, you should treat all animals in the house. Dog products usually cannot be used on cats so check all labels before using. Also, mites can jump to humans so wash after handling.

DO NOT use motor oil for Canine Mange. The oil can be toxic if licked by your pet. DO NOT use corticosteroids Also corticosteroids (cortisone) may control the itch, but actually lowers immunity to mites, allowing them to multiply faster. .

Rich S
09-07-2008, 08:33 AM
I'm curious to know if any of our members dog's have had dog mange?

Beth E
09-08-2008, 09:01 AM
Good to know, I've never seen a dog with this. Thanks for sharing.

reddobe
09-11-2008, 12:46 PM
I've seen this before on dog, thanks for sharing.

Mike D
10-17-2008, 09:56 PM
I never really put much thought in expression "mangy mutt". Now it makes sense.

RKCM
04-22-2010, 11:11 PM
I have never had a doberman with the mange and hope I never do. It sounds aweful! I've often wondered if it was just common or rare in the breed?

Panama
04-23-2010, 05:55 AM
All dogs have the mites. A poor immune system can allow the mites to run ramped and take over.
I had a foster that had Demodicosis (Demodex/Red Mange). It was localized, so it only affected her face, chest and front legs. It first appeared like she was blowing her coat almost (patchy and thinning), then the scratching began. Ivermectin* was perscribed. I got in under control within a few months and she was placed successfully with her adoptive family educated on her condition.

A friend in TN, her pup has Generalized Demodicosis (affected most of her body). Once they figured out what was going on, the breeder quit communicating with her. Poor dogs entire face is affected.

RKCM
04-23-2010, 09:03 AM
Thanks for doing that rescue, Panama. Sounds aweful.

There is a husky down the road that has that and breaks out periodically. It must be miserable for the dog.

I have always understood that it was hereitary and linked to stress.

Panama
04-23-2010, 10:40 AM
Any type of stress can suppress the immune system. Not so much hereditary, as it is passed from dam to pup during nursing. Pregnancy alone can be stressful enough, but A dam that is too young/old or has other underlying issues can have an extremely suppressed immune system.

Dobs4ever
04-23-2010, 06:25 PM
There are two different types of Mange - Sarcoptic mange, also known as scabies, is caused by a microscopic mite. The female mite causes the characteristic intense itching as they burrow under the skin to lay their eggs. The eggs hatch in a few days, develop into adults, and begin laying their own eggs in less than three weeks.

Dogs with scabies dig and bite at themselves with great ferocity. Their skin reacts with oozing sores, and secondary infection may set in, requiring treatment with an antibiotic in addition to treatment for the mites. Unfortunately, the sarcoptic mange mite can be difficult to find in skin scrapings, and unless the veterinarian parts the hair and carefully examines the bare skin for the characteristic pin-point bite marks, diagnosis is difficult. Furthermore, the presence of a secondary skin infection can hamper the search for the mite bite marks.

Telltale signs of sarcoptic mange are crusty ear tips, fierce itching, and hair loss, particularly on the ears, elbows, legs, and face in the early stages. Later on, the hair loss spreads throughout the body. - is the one that is highly contagious and demodectic which is the one that is passed from Mother to puppy due to a suppressed immune system. All dogs carry the demodectic mite. It only becomes a problem if the dog has a poor immune system.

When a puppy goes to its new home it can develop a small patch of the demodectic mange - The above treatment would be too severe for a puppy and the puppy should naturally outgrow it as they mature and their immune system is further developed.

A dog that has the demodectic mange longer and requires the above treatment is not recommended for breeding as they do pass it on to their puppies and the mites get such a big hold on them that they can't overcome it and will usually have problems with it off and on for the rest of their lives.

I have never had one of my big dogs have either kind of mange. I did one summer have a couple puppies that had a small bout with it right after going to their families. Remember puppies have their ears done and then two weeks later go to their families so it is not uncommon for this to happen. I have not had any problem with it in the last few years so don't know why then and not now. Hopefully healthier dogs. HA!

RKCM
04-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Thanks, yes I have heard and believe that is not a dog I would think of breeding. Never seen it and hope I never do!

LVmyDobie
04-23-2010, 11:41 PM
I bought a female pup and when i got her she was not in the best condition. After I had her for a few weeks she started to get a few bald spots on the face. I called the breeder and he told me that another pup in the litter had the same thing and said it was a yeast infection and to bath her in a certain shampoo and she would be ok. Well I did that and things got better for a short time and it came back so I did it again and once agaoin things got better for 3 to 4 months. Well then she came in her first heat and omg it blew and she got it bad and it was no yeast infection it was Demodex and she got the generalized case and bad. We put her on liquid ivermectrin (1cc) a day and Cephalexin 2x a day. Well after 2 months treatment she was getting better but needed treatment of the ivermectrin for about 6 months and 2 negative skin scarpings. This is a condition that is passed on by a bitch that has also had an out break of demodex and not all the pups will be affected just once that the immune system is supressed. I contacted the breeder and told him what was going on and that I bought her for my breeding program and I needed to return her. His words were you can use her for breeding? And I told him she was coming back and I wanted a replacement pup from a different breeding (not the same bitch) and that he did. Well later he told me the whole litter had to be replaced as they all had it. If a bitch has a generalized case she should NEVER be used for breeding and I myself would NEVER breed a bitch wether is was a mild case or generalized case. All dogs have Demodex it is something that will show up in a dog/pup that is stressed and low immune system. I hate to say but even all humans have demodex also but it is rare to see cases of an out break. When I found that out I think I scratched myself for weeks LOL

Panama
04-24-2010, 06:15 AM
Thank you for sharing your experience with this issue. I'm so glad your breeder did the right thing.

Funny you should mention humans having Demodex mites. My husband and I were just talking about elderly in nursing homes getting scabies and he just couldn't grasp the fact of how. I had to pull it up so he could read it.

Dobs4ever
04-24-2010, 08:13 AM
I know a well respected breeder who had a female with demodex - She struggled with it for the entire two years she was showing. But when she finished her CH she was bred. IMHO even though I am sure she did not have it for a year prior to breeding at 3 years she had it to long for my feeling comfortable about breeding her CH or not. I would not want any dog out of a kennel that produced it and ignored it.

RKCM
04-24-2010, 10:07 AM
If the dog has Sarcoptic Mange, I understand that is something they can catch and I can understanding treating and breeding.

Demodectic would be a risk that I wouldn't take in breeding. I understand that Demodectic is a mite, but a sensitivity to that mite can be passed on. It may not be hereitary, but sensitivity to the mite results in having it so the results in the same thing.......

Years ago when I had pekes, a very nice female was bred to one of my champions. When she had pups, one of those pups also came down with Demodectic Mange. The mother and that puppy broke out with it from time to time throughout their life. Both, mother and pup were spayed. None of the others ever showed it. My male never had it, nor other pups he produced, so I always believed it came from the mother and related to her sensitivity to the mite. Really not sure though.

Never seen any type of mange in our dobermans. I am surprised that a breeder would risk pups would coming down with it. The sensitivity to the mite is just too much to risk for me. It is not an easy fix on some of these dogs. I read somewhere where a breeder of dobermans had a whole litter with the problem and it was sever. That's just too sad for me.

I do wonder how common it is in this breed and I'm with ya'll they should not be bred.