Raw Bones

[rosieposie]

Anyone know if its safe to give Luna (only 12 weeks) fresh raw meaty bones??

[RKCM]

Not sure Rosie. I would think that after awhile they would get bacteria etc. We give those big knuckle bones that have been cooked and even then, I take them away after awhile. They usually get the meat off them in a day and clean their teeth with the bone after that. I wash the bones off but not sure if it matters. Occupies them in the house but they don't like sharing. LOL

Here is the link to the ones I've used.

http://www.naturalk9supplies.com/Dog-Treats/smokehouse-meaty-knuckle-bone-.aspx

[Aesa]

Never ever feed cooked bones,They can splinter very easily, only raw ones and yes it is ok to give them raw bones. When they are little i start with chicken legs, because its easier for them to chew. Later on they get beef rib bones or knuckle bones, but always raw never cooked and if i see the bones maybe get to small, i just take them away, so they can't swallow them. But its great for them and their teeth, my 7 year old GSD has the whitest teeth you seen on a dog his age, thanks to the bones :)

[BreesMom]

Never ever feed cooked bones,They can splinter very easily, only raw ones and yes it is ok to give them raw bones. When they are little i start with chicken legs, because its easier for them to chew. Later on they get beef rib bones or knuckle bones, but always raw never cooked and if i see the bones maybe get to small, i just take them away, so they can't swallow them. But its great for them and their teeth, my 7 year old GSD has the whitest teeth you seen on a dog his age, thanks to the bones :)

Yup what Aesa said :) And can't stress enough...never ever cooked bones....RAW ONLY!!!

[MountainPonies]

Not sure Rosie. I would think that after awhile they would get bacteria etc. We give those big knuckle bones that have been cooked and even then, I take them away after awhile. They usually get the meat off them in a day and clean their teeth with the bone after that. I wash the bones off but not sure if it matters. Occupies them in the house but they don't like sharing. LOL

RKCM I hear what you are saying - but i have had to friends with Dobes that needed surgery because those bones kind of crumbled into little bits very easiliy and then formed an obstruction!!! so I agree with the other two that the safest thing is to not feed any cooked bones -

I freeze my bones - and then feed to my guys - I only buy the ones that are no longer than 6 inches - if they are longer than that - I ask the butcher to cut them in half and then repackage -most meat departments will do this for you. That way the marrow is easily gotten out and does not sit around for days to get rancid - a longer bone that those dober tongues cannot get the marrow out of the middle - could have the marrow go rancid.

Aesa - I agree about them keeping the teeth clean at our yearly check ups the vet always suggest a teeth cleaning and I say - look at her teeth and you tell me if they need cleaning..... so far they never have!!!

[RKCM]

RKCM I hear what you are saying - but i have had to friends with Dobes that needed surgery because those bones kind of crumbled into little bits very easiliy and then formed an obstruction!!! so I agree with the other two that the safest thing is to not feed any cooked bones -

I freeze my bones - and then feed to my guys - I only buy the ones that are no longer than 6 inches - if they are longer than that - I ask the butcher to cut them in half and then repackage -most meat departments will do this for you. That way the marrow is easily gotten out and does not sit around for days to get rancid - a longer bone that those dober tongues cannot get the marrow out of the middle - could have the marrow go rancid.

Aesa - I agree about them keeping the teeth clean at our yearly check ups the vet always suggest a teeth cleaning and I say - look at her teeth and you tell me if they need cleaning..... so far they never have!!!

We buy the smoked bones that are already cooked with success and actually, got the idea from a long time breeder. Never had problems with them. They are huge and don's slinter. Although, I guess any bone could.

Toy people who feed raw pressure cook bones for the bone meal and make a growl to help the dog gain weight. Of course, you need to cook it long enough so the bones desolve.

Sorry guys, I sure wouldn't want to suggest anything that would hurt a dog but we have done it for many years. And our friend for many years prior to that. Just prefer these and the dogs love them. Freezing them is a good idea thanks. If in doubt, don't use them. But since we have never had bloat or an obstruction with using them for so many years.....I mean looks like we would of seen something. They also don't slinter like bones and are softer than some.

http://www.naturalk9supplies.com/Dog-Treats/smokehouse-meaty-knuckle-bone-.aspx

[nterry]

Never ever feed cooked bones,They can splinter very easily, only raw ones and yes it is ok to give them raw bones. When they are little i start with chicken legs, because its easier for them to chew. Later on they get beef rib bones or knuckle bones, but always raw never cooked and if i see the bones maybe get to small, i just take them away, so they can't swallow them. But its great for them and their teeth, my 7 year old GSD has the whitest teeth you seen on a dog his age, thanks to the bones :)

Actually, Miss Aesa the chicken bones are the WORST for dogs, very brittle and more likely to splinter and choke the dog. Knuckle bones that are smoked or prepared to soften the bone actually don't splinter as much as the raw bones. Freezing them is fine but when they thaw out they can be just as risky. But no, you never give cooked chicken bones as those will really cause a problem for the lads. I've used the pre prepared bones for years and no dog has suffer from any obstruction in about 45 years. I guess it could happen with any bone but not taking the bone from my dogs. Bloat runs in lines as does blockages, sometimes there are problems inside the dog gone unseen. It is blamed on all sorts of bones, food, and the like but it is funny it is repeated with families of dogs.

[Big Dogs]

I personally do not allow bones for the splintering issue with our own dogs and do not allow customers to bring ones for there dogs just not willing to take the chance. From the behavioral side of things allot of dogs who are not territorial or object aggressive will become so sometimes when given a bone so we made it our policy to not allow them but know many who do I guess it is just your preference.

[okiegirl]

wow, been giving Diesel raw marrow and knuckle bones and also the cooked knuckle ones w/out any splintering problems. hope this is okay because he loves them and really does keep his teeth clean.

[Aesa]

Actually, Miss Aesa the chicken bones are the WORST for dogs, very brittle and more likely to splinter and choke the dog. Knuckle bones that are smoked or prepared to soften the bone actually don't splinter as much as the raw bones. Freezing them is fine but when they thaw out they can be just as risky. But no, you never give cooked chicken bones as those will really cause a problem for the lads. I've used the pre prepared bones for years and no dog has suffer from any obstruction in about 45 years. I guess it could happen with any bone but not taking the bone from my dogs. Bloat runs in lines as does blockages, sometimes there are problems inside the dog gone unseen. It is blamed on all sorts of bones, food, and the like but it is funny it is repeated with families of dogs.


If you say so. I never saw a raw chicken bone splinter, since they are pretty soft, i also freez all my bones. But you never ever feed cooked bones, i don't because ,with the cooking they get dry and will easily splinter, but everybody his own.
Another question to Nterry, did you ever been feeding raw to a dog, if so how to you do it :)

[RKCM]

If you say so. I never saw a raw chicken bone splinter, since they are pretty soft, i also freez all my bones. But you never ever feed cooked bones, i don't because ,with the cooking they get dry and will easily splinter, but everybody his own.
Another question to Nterry, did you ever been feeding raw to a dog, if so how to you do it :)

Aesa, here is what the vet advises about bones online.

http://askville.amazon.com/dog-ate-chicken-bones/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=13171418

Seems like we have a difference of opinion and that's fine. We have used pressured bones or the smoked ones for as long as I've had dogs which is a LONG time. I would not ever use chicken bones unless they were cooked in a pressure cooker and make mush. I would say people need to ask their own vet. Mine does not advise it.

Okie the bones you are using are just like ours. Maybe freeze it if you want but never seen a problem. Dr. Campbell says they are fine.

[RKCM]

When asked what to do if their dog ate a chicken bone, the vet responded:

Nothing if the dog has already eaten them.
The chicken bone itself is perfectly edible to your dog. The reason you shouldn't feed your dog chicken bones is more to do with the way they splinter when the dog bites into them. Chicken bone splinters are extremely sharp and long, these can cause scratches and cuts in the dogs throat causing irritation. In extreme cases chicken bone splinters can get stuck in your dogs throat. However, if the dog has eaten them without any problems, it should be fine.

If you don't want to waste this very good food source for your dog, save the bones, then cook in a pressure cooker for about 10 to 15 mins. This causes the bones to soften and they crumble when bitten rather than splinter. (you can make a very tasty chicken bone stew using this method)

The same rules apply to feeding chicken bones to cats.

[Big Dogs]

I think allot depends on the size of the dog as far as what they are able to tolerate and they are carnivores but it also never hurts to side on the side of caution all in what you feel comfortable with.

[nupe]

Hell YES...GIVE THAT PUP...a raw meaty bone ...but start out slow with a chicken leg like aesa said and monitor the pup make sure she handling ok....and NEVER COOKED BONES ONLY RAW!!!...Buddy (obviously he aint a pup)...eats RAW meaty bones of some kind every day!!! and yes chicken is one kind of the raw meaty bones he eats....Just monitor Luna to make sure she is doing ok with it.

[Aesa]

I could post more about chicken bones and raw bones and not to give cooke bones ever, but i think one excample is enough :)

The Dangers Of Cooked Chicken Bones For Dogs
Why to NEVER Feed Cooked Chicken Bones To Dogs
Dogs should never be allowed to eat cooked Chicken Bones. Never feed them, and never let them loose in areas where people may have been eating Cooked Chicken.

Cooked Chicken Bones become very brittle. They will splinter easily and can break in to very sharp shards. If your Dogs ate Cooked Chicken Bones there is risk of it getting a splinter of Bone stuck in its Mouth, its Throat or in its Intestine. The Bones can pierce Intestines or form a hard blockage that can be life threatening.

This is not to say that this will occur, the majority of times you may have nothing to worry about but there is a risk. I am not saying you MUST go to the Vets but it is a real cause for concern and if you have the slightest worry I would recommend you get your Dog checked at the Vets.




Raw Chicken Bones are a completely different matter to Cooked Chicken Bones. As with anything a Dog eats there is a small chance of it being Dangerous but Dogs have been eating Raw Bones safely, for the most part, for as long as Wolves have existed. While now far removed from their Ancestral Heritage, Dogs can safely eat all manner of Raw Meat and Bones in safety.

If your Dog ate Raw Chicken Bones I would not be concerned. Raw Bones, especially that of the Chicken, are very soft and digested easily by most Dogs. As well as helping to clean Dogs Teeth they will also help guard against problems with your Dogs Anul Glands which is very important.
The Bones Of a Chicken are ideal for Dogs. They can easily be chewed, are soft, easily digested by most Dogs, and good for their Health. Obviously if you see any adverse side effects call your Vet, but most healthy Dogs do nothing but thrive on Raw Meaty Bones. Some owners feed nothing but Raw Food.



For Healthy Dogs that have no advers effects to eating Raw Bones in general there is only one problem with the Raw Bones of Chickens. In the Thigh there is a long and very sharp Bone. It “could” cause a problem if it pierces your Dogs Mouth so remove it. If you remove this sharp Needle like Bone then the rest of the Chicken is safe.

Raw Chicken Necks or Chicken Wings make a great snack for Dogs. They love it and will be more than happy with their little treat.

Hopefully this has now covered the topic of Chicken Bones for Dogs and will give you the answers many have still been searching for.

Now, go get a few Chicken Wings for your little Bone Muncher. Or why not learn how to make 245 Homemade Recipes for your Dog?

Faye…………..Faye……………….Faye!
“Live Chickens that give us our daily Eggs DO NOT count!!!!! Step away from the Hen House. Good Girl.”

Pesky Pooches!

May the Doggie Force be with you all,

[BreesMom]

THANK YOU Tina!!! Great info....I bet all the raw feeders are breathing a sigh of relief :)

[nupe]

BITES...DEFINITELY SORRY TO HEAR THAT....BUT THAT IS MY FIRST TIME ACTUALLY HEARING OF A DOG CHOKING ON A RAW CHICKEN BONE.....SO i CAN SEE WHY YOU FEEL THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT ANY CHICKEN BONE THEN.......BUT IT IS RISJK WITH ANYTHING YOU FEED your dog...I was in another forum and heard 2 people that had dogs choke on kibble before ...so it can happen with any type of food. tHERE IS RISK WITH ANYTHING.

[Big Dogs]

I know what you mean nupe I had a client that had a lab pup that chocked to death on a rubber piece off of a rubber bone that her great dane was chewing up, pups and small dogs are so easily choked. Sorry for your loss Bites.

[Aesa]

Sorry to hear that Bites, but accident happens and everything you give to a dog you have to watch it. Like Nupe said, everything you feed to your dog can be a risk, even kibbles. You have to make sure the chew the bones very well, like with every other food, if they don't, then don't feed it. So i still say raw bones are great for dogs and yes its safe to feed them.

[rosieposie]

All of that was really helpful, thanks. Started her on small raw chicken bones. And i get it all free from the butcher, score!

[RKCM]

Well, at least you have the information and opinions on bones. We wish your puppy the best.

[Aesa]

All of that was really helpful, thanks. Started her on small raw chicken bones. And i get it all free from the butcher, score!

You are so lucky if you get them for free :)
She will enjoy them, thats for sure :)

[nupe]

People you do realize we talking about RAW CHICKEN BONES...correct...NOT COOKED....BUT RAW????

[Aesa]

People you do realize we talking about RAW CHICKEN BONES...correct...NOT COOKED....BUT RAW????

Yes i thought so too Nupe :)

[nupe]

great minds think alike huh ? tina..lol

[Aesa]

great minds think alike huh ? tina..lol

Yes they do :)
But back to the topic.

Jim2, we been feeding RAW bones so long i can think off, i had dogs since i was a little girl and thats been a few years ago now LMAO and nothing never happens.
And like we said before, things can happens, but if you supervise it and watch your dogs closely, it wont happens. They can choke on kibbles, or choke on a piece of stick they playing with or getting in trouble eating a toy. Thats why we, the owners have to supervise them and make sure it wont happens.
I talked to my vet and she said, from all the things dogs could get in trouble with, chicken bones were the last problem she ever had in her vetoffice. And she even said RAw bones are very good for dogs and she always starts her dogs on chicken. So i think the problem arent the bones, the problem maybe the owners what do not supervise their dogs.

[RKCM]

Yes they do :)
But back to the topic.

Jim2, we been feeding RAW bones so long i can think off, i had dogs since i was a little girl and thats been a few years ago now LMAO and nothing never happens.
And like we said before, things can happens, but if you supervise it and watch your dogs closely, it wont happens. They can choke on kibbles, or choke on a piece of stick they playing with or getting in trouble eating a toy. Thats why we, the owners have to supervise them and make sure it wont happens.
I talked to my vet and she said, from all the things dogs could get in trouble with, chicken bones were the last problem she ever had in her vetoffice. And she even said RAw bones are very good for dogs and she always starts her dogs on chicken. So i think the problem arent the bones, the problem maybe the owners what do not supervise their dogs.

There are those of us that think chicken bones are fine for dogs and others that have had dogs die from them. I think the advice from a public forum should be to use them at their own risk.

I don't use them because the ends are sharp, but it is your choice. I think that people should understand there are different views on the topic.

Let's look at the topic at hand. Our opinions have been stated clearly, I believe. LOL

[nupe]

Defintely need to supervise or wartch closely when feeding RAW BONES....Hell I supervise when Buddy eating anything...but I am just paranoid like that!!

[BreesMom]

I have used the pressure bones too and they are great. Puppies and my older dogs love them!

Just curious about these "pressure bones". Do you buy these "pressure bones" (and if so where?) or do you pressure cook them yourself?

[RKCM]

You buy them Brees.

[BreesMom]

You buy them Brees.

THANK YOU :) I am assuming they can be purchased at most Pet Stores??

[Aesa]

What are pressure Bones and like breesmom asked where do you buy them ?

[nupe]

Lol.....i love you guys!!!

[nterry]

These are huge knuckle bones that are not brittle like a bone you would cook. Seen them used by many here. They don't carry the bacteria that can collect on raw and don't have the risks of cooked bones. All bones or anything you feed can cause problems so has to be watch but to my knowledge they are safe. Order on line in UK.

[Aesa]

These are huge knuckle bones that are not brittle like a bone you would cook. Seen them used by many here. They don't carry the bacteria that can collect on raw and don't have the risks of cooked bones. All bones or anything you feed can cause problems so has to be watch but to my knowledge they are safe. Order on line in UK.


you mean those ? http://www.tscpets.com/14073-pid.html?productid=14073-pid&channelid=PGRAB

[Aesa]

You all know that most of the bones i posted and was asking if you mean those are made in China, not something i would feed my dogs at all. Those are dangerous and bring lots of health issues what isn't really new news ;)

[nupe]

SO pressurized is SMOKED BONES?.,.....AND MADE IN cHINA......Oh Hell NO!!!!!

[lewisipso]

We can't even make a bone in America anymore? Geez.

[RKCM]

The pressurized bones we use come from Texas. No the China bones wouldn't be my choice either.

[Aesa]

We can't even make a bone in America anymore? Geez.

yeah is sad, most of those bones and other treats are not made in the USA anymore, not saying all, but most of those products are made in China or brazil

[rosieposie]

She loves them, Raw chicken bones, and chicken necks......well everything actually, she would eat a brick if i gave it to her. Little bit on the greedy side.

[rosieposie]

Prior to being domesticated by humans, dogs regularly ate bones. Raw bones are quite healthy for dogs while cooked bones can be fatal. Cooked bones can easily splinter, getting caught in the throat or intestines. Man has been able to change many physical characteristics of the canine but has not altered the canine’s basic nutrition requirements or their digestive system. Raw bones act as a natural toothbrush, helping to prevent tooth and root decay as well as abscesses. Dental problems are common in today’s domesticated dogs. Dogs that are not given raw bones to chew on should have their teeth cleaned regularly. Lack of bones or dental care can cause major health problems. A mouth infection can spread via the blood stream and make its way to other organs, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys and prostate. Raw bones are living tissue, making them a complex source of nutrients. Raw bones contain minerals, protein and fat soluble vitamins. The marrow of bones contains a highly nutritious mix of blood forming elements, iron, anti-oxidants, anti-aging elements and enzymes. Bones are full of natural minerals that a dog requires to function normally. Raw chicken on the bone is by far the best way to provide your dog with the majority of his nutrients. Raw chicken and the bones are full of nutrients but won’t do much for dental care as many chicken bones can be swallowed whole. Swallowing small raw bones whole will usually not harm your dog. Raw chicken bones are easily broken down by a dog’s natural digestive system. Beef bones with some meat, fat and cartilage still attached can be obtained from a butcher. These bones are much harder than chicken bones and with some flesh still attached, will take care of your dog’s dental needs. The ripping and tearing of flesh along with their teeth scraping against the bone will keep your dog’s teeth clean and their breath smelling doggy fresh.

[Aesa]

Nice post rosieposie :)

[BreesMom]

Prior to being domesticated by humans, dogs regularly ate bones. Raw bones are quite healthy for dogs while cooked bones can be fatal. Cooked bones can easily splinter, getting caught in the throat or intestines. Man has been able to change many physical characteristics of the canine but has not altered the canine’s basic nutrition requirements or their digestive system. Raw bones act as a natural toothbrush, helping to prevent tooth and root decay as well as abscesses. Dental problems are common in today’s domesticated dogs. Dogs that are not given raw bones to chew on should have their teeth cleaned regularly. Lack of bones or dental care can cause major health problems. A mouth infection can spread via the blood stream and make its way to other organs, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys and prostate. Raw bones are living tissue, making them a complex source of nutrients. Raw bones contain minerals, protein and fat soluble vitamins. The marrow of bones contains a highly nutritious mix of blood forming elements, iron, anti-oxidants, anti-aging elements and enzymes. Bones are full of natural minerals that a dog requires to function normally. Raw chicken on the bone is by far the best way to provide your dog with the majority of his nutrients. Raw chicken and the bones are full of nutrients but won’t do much for dental care as many chicken bones can be swallowed whole. Swallowing small raw bones whole will usually not harm your dog. Raw chicken bones are easily broken down by a dog’s natural digestive system. Beef bones with some meat, fat and cartilage still attached can be obtained from a butcher. These bones are much harder than chicken bones and with some flesh still attached, will take care of your dog’s dental needs. The ripping and tearing of flesh along with their teeth scraping against the bone will keep your dog’s teeth clean and their breath smelling doggy fresh.

Roies's post is what I was always told about raw bones and these smoked bones...are they cooked? Because the cooking is what makes bones apt to splinter and become dangerous????? Just wondering :)

[rosieposie]

I think if they are smoked they still splinter. Raw bone's are the only bones i will ever give my dogs, supervised of course.

[Aesa]

I think if they are smoked they still splinter. Raw bone's are the only bones i will ever give my dogs, supervised of course.

Same here, nothing but raw bones and sure always supervised.

[nupe]

HMMMM Rosie your typing looks famaliar....lol...thumbs up on the RAW BONES THOUGH!!

[nterry]

6 pages of repeating ourselves. LOL.

If you feed chicken bones they can be sharp and lodge in the throat.
If you feed pressurized bones, they could spinter.
If you feed raw bones, they carrier bacteria.

Wow! No bones for dogs people or we can just go on and on and state the same thing again. Funny thread though.

[nupe]

So you saying RAW bones, right?

[RKCM]

Raw, pressurized, or cooked? It's a choice and there are no bones about that. LOL

[nupe]

LOL....GOOD ONE...RK....Glad to see someone else doesnt take themselves too serious.

[Logan]

I'm a big fan of raw bones.