Anyone know of Harraden's Dobieden in NC??

[doberman4me]

I have been researching dobermans for a year now. I am considering adding a doberman to our home and have been looking at a breeder by the name of Harraden's Dobieden located in Dover/Kinston NC.
Does anyone have any knowledge of this breeder?

[jelly8bean]

Ilive in NC and I have not run into this name. I suggest that you do some research on the web and thru the Doberman club of America... Just running the name in google comes up with some distressing information

http://www.geocities.com/reynoldsrj74/index.html

Checking their website.. they have 9 litters listed for last year. That is alot for a reputable breeder. Please be careful and think about rescue if you are not looking for a show dog.

[doberman4me]

Thank you Jellybean,
All I can say is OMG I feel so sorry for the dogs. After googling that kennel I found some information that made my skin crawl. Mostly this one
http://plubaforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7956043/m/9931023473 I will look into rescue as I am not looking for a show dog.

[magtie]

that is sad for sure, but that's why it's important to do your research

[Dobs4ever]

Glad you did some research. Lisa H. does not have the best reputation out there.

[FL_dobes]

I have been researching dobermans for a year now. I am considering adding a doberman to our home and have been looking at a breeder by the name of Harraden's Dobieden located in Dover/Kinston NC.
Does anyone have any knowledge of this breeder?

I've seen your name. Don't you have a fawn Dobie that you bred to an Albino last year? Kia?

[tidibole]

Evidently research does pay-off......Yes, I, too, saw the ad under DoggyDealer for the mixed litter of Fawn to Albino, Phantom lines? Intresting..My tolerance level goes SOUTH with intentionally breeding whites......utilizing the AKC registration as a selling point and yet not adherring to the breed standard. And Fldobes, IF, by coincidence this is the same indivdual, I also find it amazing that anyone would have the audacity to make such a ludicrist post when in all actuality it is more than likely a PLOY to get Heraden Dobie Den into some sort of debate or conflict or perhaps give them more exposure or is it a sad attempt to gain more exposure for their breeding program? I see nothing that would interest me in any shape form or way on their site, however, I am truly hoping that this is not going to turn into the nastiness of some of the other forums. I personally do not want to see Lisa Heraden on this site with any of her past proven antics...it would be counter productive for all concerned...And KIA, (if that is indeed you?) if you are that curious about DobieDen,(and I am sure you know more than you are choosing to indicate) then given you are in NC, I would suggest that you go and visit, answer your questions on your own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I also have to question why YOU would even remotely consider allowing FULL registration for an additional $100.00 on a Z factored dog...??? Are you seriously "the pot" calling the "kettle black."???AMAZING...JUST curious, wasn't there a bigger chain for your black dog at the local hardware store....????

[FL_dobes]

Sorry Tidibole... didn't mean to start anything. Just hate to see a fiasco start when someone is just trying to bait someone into an ugly debate to try to defend themself. I've seen it elsewhere, an the reason I never bothered to join.

[tidibole]

Sorry Tidibole... didn't mean to start anything. Just hate to see a fiasco start when someone is just trying to bait someone into an ugly debate to try to defend themself. I've seen it elsewhere, an the reason I never bothered to join.Please don't be sorry for submitting information that can ultimately change the course of this thread...It helped to prevent exactly the "baiting" you refer too. I have also seen it done on other sites and it never ends well...

[RKCM]

Thanks FlDobes for this information. There are forums for people that breed albino or Z factored dobes. It is just not what people that care about the breed will accept.

What's the deal about a chain? Dang, why do people chain? Especially an intelligent loving housedog like a dob......well, any dog really. Makes me sick.

[Dobs4ever]

Fl Dobes thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately this is the biggest problem with any forum - how to handle a really sticky situation. Sometimes I do wonder with the web and all why someone would ask on a web fourm before doing their own research. It would then make sense to ask specific questions if they did not feel they understood what they saw or read. Believe me you can find anyone who has a web site. The thing you don't know is if they are really open and honest on the web site.

Doberman4me - please help me out here. And I mean this sincerely - Give us some insight to what kind of research you did to come up with this name only??? Is it because it is close to you???? Did you visit other Doberman breeders web sites???? Did you see a difference???

I would really like to know how someone can be so misled? Believe me you are not the only one to be fooled and with all the great breeders out there end up with some nut job. I just would like some insight on how people seem to stumble into the hornets nest and not recognize it???

I would also find it hard to believe that anyone could research for a year and what they come up with is this. With all the great breeders out there how do you settle or hone in on something that shouts caution???? Just curious - Can people really be that dumb?
I would think JQP, if they really researched would pick up on the difference from a good breeder and a bad breeder but someone with some knowledge of Dobermans, showing, training etc should certainly be capable of reading between the lines and make a good decision.

If someone had bred whites then they really have no reason to care about what anyone else does - Breeding whites will get you blackballed faster than you can say it. Once tainted you will never come back from it. I can think of a couple people who tried it and now make up the most fantastic lies & shout on their web site about how terrible everyone else is while trying to justify themselves. Lying is one thing that can't be tolerated. If someone lies about one thing they will lie about anything.

Breeders have to always stand prepared to answer the hard questions - Like a friend of mine reminded me - If you can't run with the big dogs stay off the porch. Of if you can't take the heat stay out of the Kitchen. But in dobermans you just can't afford to make one bad decision. It will bury you and believe me it will be found out.

[tidibole]

Hey there...It's "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay ON the porch...LOL...

[Dobs4ever]

Hey Tidibole - thanks for keeping me straight!!! Yep STAY ON THE PORCH!!

[tidibole]

Out of boredom this morning I thought I would visit the other site offered in this thread..I checked the breeders corner and the UKC discussion. WOW...I REALLY hope that this forum stays as it is and is and the general respect for others is maintained and moderated, need be. I also hope that if there is any NASTINESS it is done through PMs. It is pretty hard to offend me as a rule but I couldn't stomach some of the viciosness that was going on . I can also see now why we have so many guests and so few members. Apparently theirs is an ALL BREED/CAT forum. Although some of the people posting were attempting to maintain civility, a fair portion were so out of line, that it was disgusting. I enjoy this site, post when something interests me or I have what I consider a point of view that needs expresseing, however, if this site ever become viscious...I am SO gone....I appreciate the humor, the educational value and yes, somethimes a healthy debate.....

[RKCM]

Good information on breeding albinos or Z's. Just shows the risks one is willing to take to fill he pockets. I don't need to get started on that one. It is way too sad for the dogs and why it's not forgiven so easily. It is what it is: greed.

[tidibole]

Good information on breeding albinos or Z's. Just shows the risks one is willing to take to fill he pockets. I don't need to get started on that one. It is way too sad for the dogs and why it's not forgiven so easily. It is what it is: greed.Or just plain ignorance and/or stupidity. There is a a breeder in Texas who personally indicated to me that the "white" people were more friendly than the others..Ya Think? they need all the help they can get. I truly do think that in the "olden days" breeders were more apt to take novices under their wings and help them become the breeders they are today..It is sad that that rarely occurs today...

[Dobs4ever]

Hey - to me this says it all - It is against the standard, is disqualified right out of the box for showing AKC, and the breed club felt so strongly about it that they got AKC to agree to start the Z list. That is a BIG accomplishment. DPCA is the ONLY breed club affliated with AKC. They are very powerful. To flaunt their guidelines is pretty dumb and is really not any different than the people who promote Warlocks, oversized or anything else that is NOT THE STANDARD.

Once again AKC came out with the laminated standard last year because they were concerned about the things there were seeing come into our breed from the SA dogs.