Anyone a member of DPCA?

[jelly8bean]

Just to get some idea of what goes on it there... I'm thinking of joining to continue my journey in learning all about this breed.

[Sue J]

I've thought about it too.

[violator]

what is dpca ??

[jelly8bean]

Doberman Pincher Club of America... it runs specialty shows, working sport competitions and you need to have members recommend you to get in.

[triplecminis]

i would like to join if you join send me some info...I think it would be really nice to grow with the breed.

[jelly8bean]

I just googled DPCA and went to the website. Pretty interesting stuff, and they have a membership application (with the required recommendations attached).

[Dobs4ever]

DPCA is our founding breed club. They are responsible for setting the Standard for our breed and they are the guardians who protect our breed. They are involved in many areas that pertain to Dobermans, Health, White out program, showing etc. To support the club just makes it strong and helps us all protect and preserve our dogs.

The UDC (United Doberman Club) is the working breed club. They support the working heritage of our Dobermans and although a much smaller club their role has been very valuable in preserving our Dogs as a working breed.

[FL_dobes]

I just read the DPCA website....well not the entire site, but the Code of Ethics and member information... So what would happen if a member were to buy or rescue an Albino Doberman or a Z Factored Doberman? I know with most rescues their background is unknown, but there are alot of dogs being turned in to rescue with their paperwork.

Would that member get in trouble? By becoming a member, they vow to protect the integrity of the breed and not condone or encourage the breeding of white or white factored Dobermans. Am I missing something there? It is a little confusing.

[tidibole]

I just read the DPCA website....well not the entire site, but the Code of Ethics and member information... So what would happen if a member were to buy or rescue an Albino Doberman or a Z Factored Doberman? I know with most rescues their background is unknown, but there are alot of dogs being turned in to rescue with their paperwork.

Would that member get in trouble? By becoming a member, they vow to protect the integrity of the breed and not condone or encourage the breeding of white or white factored Dobermans. Am I missing something there? It is a little confusing.RESCUING and ALTERING is one thing BUT breeding a Z factored or White is .......not acceptable...

[FL_dobes]

But isn't buying one condoning or supporting it?

[FL_dobes]

I can fully understand rescuing a white or white factored Doberman. I'm sure many do obedience or agility with them. But if a DPCA member were to just buy one from a so-called breeder, what could or would happen?

[Dobs4ever]

There are DPCA members who have rescued whties and Z factored dogs. They are Dobermans so rescue takes them most of the time. The real problem comes when someone wants to show, breed, etc that they would be in trouble with the club, not for standing up to try to clean up somone else's mess. In fact way back in the begining of the whites some of the top breeders who were also DPCA board members, judges etc bred them as an experiement trying to find out if they were going to be an asset to the breed. They determined through careful documentated study that they were a big problem for the breed and hence implemented the white out program and Z registration.

In fact that is one of the scariest things about the new registries that are popping up so people who don't want to do right can do their own thing. I wonder how many of them will have whites show up in the future becasue they did not know the bloodline or history. These registries are a big black eye on the pure bred dog world.

[Dobs4ever]

If you went to a white breeder and bought one of their inferior white dobermans you would be black balled by DPCA members because yes it is condoning it and supporting it. This is how they would think - # 1 you are supporting a breeder who is in violation of DPCA rules. 2. If you rescue a white doberman then you are trying to help clean up someone elses mess. The money from rescue does not go to the white breeder. 3. The fear would be that you would then try to get your hands on a well bred dog to place in the hands of an unscrupulous white breeder and therefore allow them to try to improve their poor gene pool.

And no you do not see them in obedience or agility at least not anywhere that I have seen or heard of. They may do a few things in their own little white club which they named DPCCA or some such thing but they don't seriously work or show - they breed for money so can't take the time to train or show. The dogs couldn't hold up to the stress and pressure most likely anyway.

[FL_dobes]

Oh trust me, I'm would not BUY an Albino or a Z Factored dog or puppy. I've never been to Obedience trials, and I've only been to a few Agility trials, and no I've never seen a Albino Doberman at them, but have seen pictures on line with them doing agility obstacles. I'll have to see if I can find them again.

[RKCM]

Buying a dog from a Z or albino breeder, supports them. I wouldn't think a member of the club would buy one. Rescue is more likely. Why are you asking this question?

[Dobs4ever]

Fl dobes -I know you would not buy one but were just asking some good questions which only helps us all learn. Info is Info.

[FL_dobes]

RKCM, I was just curious what the DPCA would do if they found out a member bought a Z factored or Albino puppy. I wouldn't imagine a DPCA member would do that, but... who knows these days.

[Dobs4ever]

I am not RKCM, but there are factors that could affect this. Not all DPCA members are educated. Some are just barely above JQP. So if you were not on your toes which I doubt would happen you could accidently be fooled into buying Z factored if you did not think to check Reg # before buying. You would probably be screamed at for being dumb and I doubt you would have many friends in DPCA but not sure it would be the same as buying from a white breeder. I say this because I have talked to people and turned them down for stud because their bitch was Z factored and they did not even know what that was. So there are people out there who buy Z factored and they had no clue what that even was - then decided to breed them not knowing about their little problem and are shocked when I send them to the DPCA web site to read about the albino's and refuse to breed.

If you bought an albino you would have a much harder time convincing them you did not know as it is glaringly white - I just don't think you could be a member of DPCA and make this mistake so here comes the blackball.

When I first got started it is truly a miracle I did not accidently buy something Z factored. I didn't even know what it was. I bought a BYB Blk rst male. He was a great dog but I quickly realized I wanted more. I am still friends with his breeder who also got involved in showing and now we are the best of friends have encouraged each other for many years. We both think alike - share many of the same lines - although I bred my first CH before she did so I raz her about that because she had to go out and buy her first CH but we joke and kid each other all the time. It is a special special friendship. All becasue of a BYB Doberboy. Everyone has to start some where. Had I had real knowledge of the show world I would have never bought where I did and would have missed a most special friendship. Show people have better sense because of their knowledge of the importance of breed standards they would not get suckerd in by the people who promote oversized, giant, warlock or albinos etc.

[RKCM]

In my opinion, if you rescue a dog from a rescue, you are not supporting Z or albino breeders. Rescues are a good thing.

If you buy from the breeder or individual, you support them by paying money and if the dog is Z or albino, you support that.

Just my opinion.

[Dobs4ever]

I agree completely - Rescue is just that you are rescuing a Doberman that has through no fault of its own been put in a very bad situation. That is totally different from going to a breeder who intentionally breeds them. In fact if I am correct the Sec of DPCA has a white rescue. Good for her for saving a poor Doberman who needed help as it had through poor breeding and even poorer breeder been discarded.

[Rhiannon]

I am not RKCM, but there are factors that could affect this. Not all DPCA members are educated. Some are just barely above JQP. So if you were not on your toes which I doubt would happen you could accidently be fooled into buying Z factored if you did not think to check Reg # before buying. You would probably be screamed at for being dumb and I doubt you would have many friends in DPCA but not sure it would be the same as buying from a white breeder. I say this because I have talked to people and turned them down for stud because their bitch was Z factored and they did not even know what that was. So there are people out there who buy Z factored and they had no clue what that even was - then decided to breed them not knowing about their little problem and are shocked when I send them to the DPCA web site to read about the albino's and refuse to breed.

If you bought an albino you would have a much harder time convincing them you did not know as it is glaringly white - I just don't think you could be a member of DPCA and make this mistake so here comes the blackball.

When I first got started it is truly a miracle I did not accidently buy something Z factored. I didn't even know what it was. I bought a BYB Blk rst male. He was a great dog but I quickly realized I wanted more. I am still friends with his breeder who also got involved in showing and now we are the best of friends have encouraged each other for many years. We both think alike - share many of the same lines - although I bred my first CH before she did so I raz her about that because she had to go out and buy her first CH but we joke and kid each other all the time. It is a special special friendship. All becasue of a BYB Doberboy. Everyone has to start some where. Had I had real knowledge of the show world I would have never bought where I did and would have missed a most special friendship. Show people have better sense because of their knowledge of the importance of breed standards they would not get suckerd in by the people who promote oversized, giant, warlock or albinos etc.

Very interesting Dobs4ever. I cannot believe the number of people I have spoken to over the years who did not know what it was and had no idea they had purchased a dog with the z-factor. I think this is where the danger comes in with the other breed registries coming into play and think that you are right when you say that only time will tell before we start seeing a lot of that cropping up in the various registries. I also did not realize that members of the DPCA had done some breeding to see what had happened. It is sad to me that there are breeders out there trying to exploit JQP and convince them that it a rare and glorious thing to have one.

[Dobs4ever]

I know - I have had very nice people contact me about getting a second dobe and in asking questions have found out that they have another dog. I ask about reg and find out it is z factored. They had not clue what it meant. So the white folks are not 100% honest IMO. I mean what would you say - Hey go read about the z or white out on DPCA web site and then come back if you want one of these dogs.......I think not. So the don't tell and the stick people with something that is not what they thought they were getting.

I have often asked - WHY own a breed - promote a BREED and then go against their COE. DPCA fought hard to implement the Z registry and to go back and identify every dog out of Sheba. But when the uneducated, those who do not even know that there is a standard much less follow it or think that breeding unregistered dogs (and I mean and dog that is not AKC registered ) is just hunky dorey that is what we will get. They have no clue if those unreg dogs from CKC, NKC, APR, APRI are z factored or not and they don't care. And they walk among us!

[RKCM]

Fl, I am not a member of the dpca so I am not speaking for them. I would think that it is not looked upon as ethical to breed Z, considering their postion on albinos.

[Dobs4ever]

RKCM - if you breed Z's IMO you breed whites because there is always the risk you will produce whites from the Z breeding. The DPCA consders it the same and is why the had them numbered and banned. JMHO

[RKCM]

I understand that is the same and agree. I wouldn't discourage rescue but buying one directly seems to support that breeder. I just wouldn't do that.

I think what she is referring to is it ok with dpca to BUY from a Z factored breeder directly.

[Dobs4ever]

Definitely not since the guidelines say they are not to be bred and are a genetic defect.
It also states we are not to breed a dog with disqualifying faults and white or z would definitely qualify as disqualifying.