Looking for Quality Breeder

[driver99]

I am currently looking for a doberman puppy. I would like to find one as a pet quality dog sometime in the next month or so. After a bit of research into breeders in Minnesota, I find myself highly hesitant to use the ones I have found. Does any one know of quality doberman puppies in the Minnesota area or a way to find one and possibly ship(even though that sounds like a bad option)? Thanks in advance

[jelly8bean]

Please do plenty of research and feel confident in your breeder. Check on the Doberman Pincher Club of America site for recommended breeders. If you are looking for a pet dog you might also try doberman rescues? My local one has 4 puppies right now, so check around. A young adult may also be a good rescue choice because they are past the mouthy stage and usually have been given some reasonable house manners.

[driver99]

a rescue dog has crossed my mind, but I have concerns. I worry that an older dog may not adjust to the lifestyle and environment I will be placing it in. We live on 100 acres of wooded land and have lots of open space so I worry about a dog that did not grow up knowing where it can and cannot go. Also we do alot of traveling in the summers going racing and we want a dobie that can adjust to the action and people it will be exposed to. These are just some of my concerns

[jelly8bean]

I have two rescues.. and you should still investigate it. My Sara was tied out for the first year with little or no human interaction. She was a frightened dog when I got her at 1, but after some adjustment period she is now bold when I am with her. On the other hand I have Indigo, who was passed around from family to family. I got her at 18 months and again she needed some time to settle. After one year she is happy and active and wonderful to be around anyone. I am doing AKC obedience training (with hopes for showing this year) and have started some basic agility work with her. So talk to your rescue organization and explain. They really want what is best for the dogs as well and would work with you. Most rescue dogs are not that old usually 1-3 yrs old because that is when someone has decided that cute puppy is just too big, too energetic or too much trouble. Just some thoughts, cause you will spend the first 2 years with a puppy training it to cover those concerns as well.

[violator]

i would say look into a rescue too also they are alot cheaper than a purebreed off a breeder (if money concerns you) and as said u can get very young pups from a rescue centre.

[Big Dogs]

Driver where ever you get a dobe from it will take training and time. Are you planing on taking your dobe with you to the track? My son races and depending on what you are racing there may be some track issues to deal with. If you do get a puppy expose him to as many things as you can before you take him to that eviroment. I would advice you to keep him away from there while he is in the 15 to 20 week old time period as puppies sometimes go through a shy scarred period at around 16 weeks or you will have an issue to deal with that can be avoided. I agree with the others there are many nice dobes at rescues that may meet your needs, I would also recommend taking a qualified dog trainer with you to evaluate the dogs. If you cannot find one that meets your needs I know of several breeders that I have dealt with through the years that may. I would look at the rescues first there are puppies there and that sounds like the direction you are leaning in. Most shelters and rescues can tell you the history on the dogs you are looking at. The breeders that I'm talking about all ship and I have trained dogs from there kennels in the past they are not the cheapest but they have all been in business for many years and have great reputations and references. They do have deals on puppies sometimes when you call them. The bottom line is no matter where you would get your dog from how well he or she turns out is dependent upon how much effort you put into it. The breeders that I have dealt with in the past that I would recommend would be Kimbertal and Hoyt both are on the web and if you decide to go that route contact me and I will give you some names you can talk to.

[driver99]

Thanks for the reply. As much as I like the idea of a rescue dog, I'm just not sure. I did check with 1 place that had several that were around a year old or slightly younger, but these dogs had health or behavior issues that needed major work and I fear that may be a trend in Mn area. My personal feeling is Im not concerned too much about the price if it raises the chances of a healthier dog in the long term. My family has always taken pride in the fact that every type of dog we have owned has lived a healthy and productive life right up to the high end of the average life span for that type of dog and has been a member of the family, not just a pet. My research on dobermans indicates to me that with this breed, the breeding lines play a slightly more important role than some other breeds. It is because of this impression that I am trying to make sure I make the right choice.
Thank you for the advice on racing, as that is a big part of my families summer activities. We keep several race cars at our shop located on our property so getting a dog accustomed to those sounds is a must for us.
As for a qualified dog trainer in the area where I live..... I doubt one exists. Needless to say Im in northern minnesota and am just happy we have a wal-mart. Although I must say our local vet has been outstanding with our previous dogs. However, there are almost no dobermans in the area I am aware of.

[Dobs4ever]

The breeder you select is the most important part of your decision. Glad you are looking around. It is a good idea to call and visit with different breeders to see who you feel comfortable with. There several flags to look for or ask -Do they work or show their own dogs or just talk about past pedigrees? This is a biggy. Are they a member of DPCA or UDC which are the two prominant Doberman clubs DPCA being the major one? Do they do any health testing? Do they do the ears on their puppies? A good breeder will do the ears before they leave. Do they have nice pictures on their web site? If all the pictures are just of dogs out in the yard then they don't do much if anything with their dogs but breed them and probably know less about the breed so would not be someone you could go to if you needed help. Good luck with your search.

[jelly8bean]

All good input Dobs4ever.. Driver99, make sure they have done the appropriate health tests if you go with a breeder. :)

[Lucianamsimon]

I live in PA 19064. How about Braveheartloyalheart Doberman Pinschers? Lucy is the breeder and I've talked to her, she's a doll and is open to have me in her hosue whenever I would like to go see her dogs.

[Dobs4ever]

I visited the web site - Here are questions that I would ask -

Why no pictures of her dogs?
the only picture is from a dog that finished in 2002 - nothing since and who is evidenlty deceased as she says she has no stud dog at this time.

Does she have any other titles since 2002 or is that the only thing she has done
Her prices are very high compared to top top breeders who are very active in the breed, do complete health testing etc.

She really shouts about DPCA from her web site - which also makes me curious
why she feels the need to make it so obvious. Is it because she is very active or because she wants everyone to think she is active?

I did see pictures of the female for the July breeding and it shows health testing but not what kind specific.

Also according to post on another forum there is no planned breeding to the the Ch stud she mentions - I would check it all out.

Ok you can just shoot me but these are red flags for me. I only point them out because so many people get fooled by things like this and don't know to ask they just take it on faith I guess.

[Dravens]

I do believe that it was a prior breeding
CAMBRIA'S FORGET-ME-NOT
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AMERICAN/CANADIAN CH. RAUSCHUNDS'S MONSIEUR MARQUIS
in the thread you are refering to and that CaroleAnn (Rauschund) had stated in the thread that her male was going to be bred to a Braveheart bitch that she liked. She just didn't realize it was Vader she was interested in for that bitch. Have you read the entire thread? That litter was due in July. I have no idea whether the breeding took place as planned but I did read the entire thread.

Since the breeding she has listed now due in Sept. Am/Can Ch Marquis Lone Star Rauschund is also a dog owned by CaroleAnn, I would venture to guess she is planning the breeding with Tex.

I do not know the breeder or have an opinion on her contracts or prices since every buyer is free to choose what they agree to. I do know not everyone lists all health testing on their website. Per CaroleAnn's post on the other thread Braveheart does health test.

[Dobs4ever]

Dravens - There is a Bravehart that I believe did bred to CaroleAnn's CH but not Braveheart-Loyalheart. At least that is how I read the post. I do have concerns based on partial limited info given - I also have concerns when someone stops working/showing yet continues to shout about being a member of DPCA and charges more than most top top breeders for CH puppies. I would recommend a little caution.

[Dravens]

I totally agree on the caution on any breeder one should do their research. I pointed the poster to the thread on the other forum and told them I knew nothing about the breeder but what is in the thread. I found the thread by googling the breeders name because of this thread here. CarolAnn specifically refers to "Lucy" http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/24839-braveheart-dobermans-true-6.html#post403724

Again I don't know any of them personally only what I read when the question was ask in this thread, and I googled it.

[Dobs4ever]

I just went straight to the forum and pulled it up. There are several things on the web site that make me wonder why they are so evasive and give so little info. For me personally it would make me very uncomfortable wondering what they might be hiding. Also I would question the pricing for dogs that are not shown or titled in any venue.

It is just the feeling I got from the info on the web site. I think it requires careful investigation. Con artist succeed because they appear nice and say all the right things.

[RKCM]

Thanks for the information, Dravens. I do not know these breeders but I think that you should visit with the breeder and see for yourself.

I can tell you that a lot of people do not keep their website current and so you have to ask questions. Ask yourself what is important to you. Longivity in any line is a vital question and can't be overlooked. Testing without longivity isn't so good. DPCA membership is a good thing, but no guarantee. And if you are looking for a show dog, you should go to a few shows and see what is in your area. Just my thoughts.

Personally, from what has been posted, I would highly recommend a rescue. The rescue people are experienced in matching dogs with owners. They want you happy and the dog, so they will seek a rescue that matches what you have discussed with them. Rescues can make wonderful pets and they cost as much either.

[BRAVEHEART]

So tell me....Why do you think my website is evasive and so little info? Why would you think that I am hiding anything? What is there to hide? I am not a con artist, you have a small mind and no life but life behind a computer. So lets talk about my website!!!
How cabn I better it so people like you will not think that I am evasive and no info.

[magtie]

Let's remember to keep the thread positive and avoid any personal attacks

Cheers,

Ron

[Dobs4ever]

Thank you Magtie - I tired to just express concerns that I got from the web site and suggested good questions to ask. It does always amaze me if we have nothing to hide why we have to become so defensive. I think the questions I asked expressed my concerns and they are welcome to answer them here in the public forum rather than fly to the defensive.

[RKCM]

No put downs meant here to any post but I think websites to many aren't kept current because the site is to show off their dogs, not an ad. It may not be updated on everything because frankly, some have to have that done by others or maybe just don't use their website as a "for sale" pitch. This is why when you find a breeder, the buyer needs to take their time to visit and ask questions. The site does give you an idea of what their dogs look like etc. and you can check longivity on the pedigree. Being a dpca member will ensure that they abide by the ethic rules which is a good thing.

I thought Braveheart's site was nice and have no suggestions. There are breeders that have no websites so you just have to ask questions.

Best of luck on your search. In the end, having that new dobie will make it all worth the time. They are the best!

[RelicDobes]

I see this is an old thread, but if someone is looking for a doberman from MN, that is where I got mine from. He is by Arg. Ch. Nonino de Black Shadow, who has passed away, but the breeder still has frozen sperm.

pm me if anyone wants her info!