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Dobs4ever
06-15-2009, 12:26 PM
The status of UKC-registered dogs could not be determined from the report. The UKC already has an extensive list of breeding policies, but they are essentially recommendations to breeders and most are not mandatory. Nor is it known if the UKC would be willing to assume liability for the actions of breeders.

Field Dog Stud Book, which is America's oldest registry and the premiere
registry for pointers and setters bred for hunting and field trials, is not
included in the current list of approved registries and also could not possibly
meet the requirements of the committee report. It is currently illegal to own a
sexually intact FDSB-registered dog, or breed it, in the City of Los Angeles.

To obtain a breeding permit, the report recommends requiring that a dog must be temperament tested, have Orthopedic Foundation of America certification for hip dysplasia, meet other unspecified "health requirements, " and have earned or be earning a title in competition through an approved registry (of which there would be none). We regard all of these as cynical "Catch 22s."

Temperament testing would be done by the animal control agency, which lacks the expertise to evaluate dogs of most breeds and could not do a fair evaluation in the chaotic environment of an animal control facility. Thus, many good dogs would be set up to fail.

OFA hip certification cannot be obtained until a dog is two years old and the
Los Angeles ordinance requires dogs to be spayed at age four months (long before they would be bred, entered in serious competition or could be certified by OFA), and animal control personnel do not have the knowledge or experience to evaluate genetic health problems or the ways to reduce or eliminate them.

The report also recommends that all dogs be entered into a show or competition at least annually to qualify for an exemption (the current requirement is one show every two years). However, this fails to account for the reality that many dogs are kept for evaluation for a year or two before they are entered in competition or sent to a professional trainer, an injury or illness can hold a dog out of competition for lengthy periods, and many outstanding champions are retired from competition early to use for breeding in order to pass on their outstanding genetics to future generations. These dogs would have to be sterilized, under the recommendation.

The current ordinance exempts a dog that is being trained for competition, or as a guide, service or military dog. However, the committee report recommends eliminating this exemption if the dog's trainer is not an officially licensed business in the City of Los Angeles, as well as stating that dog trainers should meet certain unspecified "qualifications" to be licensed.

The dog world is not local. Many serious breeders are themselves highly
competent and qualified trainers, and many send their dogs to trainers who are located in other parts of the state or nation. These trainers could not qualify for a Los Angeles business license for the simple reason that they do not live in the city (and possibly not even in the state), and the breeders could not qualify for a business license because they are hobbyists who are not in the business of training dogs for the public.

Moreover, no one in the animal control department is even remotely qualified to pass judgment on the ability or qualifications of a professional trainer.

It is doubtful if any professional trainers of field trial or hunting dogs live
within the city, as there would not be enough suitable grounds nearby, and
regulations and taxation would be prohibitive in an urban environment.

Requirements to maintain a sexually intact dog also would be tightened
generally, including mandating spay/neuter for a second offense of leash laws or a second impoundment by animal control, shortening time limits for compliance, denying permits to dog owners to whom even one warning had been issued, and raising prices of intact and breeding permits (current permits cost $100 per animal per year, and allow the holder only one litter per year per each female animal for which a permit has been obtained).

The Los Angeles Committee report to City Council is contained in a 91-page (pdf file) report that can be viewed at http://www.laanimal services. com/spayneuterla w/committee/ march09_rep. pdf . See pdf pages 68-through-74. Look for Recommendation Twelve. This report was located
and researched by ASDA advisor and researcher Margo Milde of Glenview, IL.

The current ordinance can be viewed at http://www.clkrep. lacity.org/ onlinedocs/ 2007/07-1212_ ord_179615. pdf .

The American Sporting Dog Alliance urges all Los Angeles dog owners to oppose this report to City Council.

We also ask dog owners everywhere in America to learn from what is happening in Los Angeles and spurn the idea of task forces, negotiations with animal rights activists, or agreeing to compromises.

Failing to fight back courageously is the first step in participating in the
destruction of the dogs that you love, and your own freedom and basic rights as an American.

We also challenge the purebred dog and cat registries themselves, but especially the American Kennel Club (AKC), the largest purebred dog registry in the United States, to vigorously oppose the Los Angeles committee's recommendations. We also urge these registries to make adverse legislation involving any facet of dog and cat ownership an breeding their utmost priority. We especially ask the AKC to clearly communicate to its affiliated and member clubs the dangers of seeking purebred or show exemptions in any proposed legislation involving dog ownership or breeding, since, as these Los Angeles committee's recommendations illustrate, such legal exemptions are only a sham, to be all too easily removed by the Animal Rights zealots who seek the extinction of all purebred breeds of dogs.

The American Sporting Dog Alliance represents owners, breeders and professionals who work with breeds of dogs that are used for hunting. We also welcome people who work with other breeds, as legislative issues affect all of us. We are a grassroots movement working to protect the rights of dog owners, and to assure that the traditional relationships between dogs and humans maintains its rightful place in American society and life. The American Sporting Dog Alliance also needs your help so that we can continue to work to protect the rights of dog owners. Your membership, participation and support are truly essential to the success of our mission. We are funded solely by your donations in order to maintain strict independence.

Please visit us on the web at http://www.american sportingdogallia nce.org . Our email is asda@csonline. net .

PLEASE CROSS-POST AND FORWARD THIS REPORT TO YOUR FRIENDS

Sue J
06-18-2009, 07:16 PM
Most of the beagle clubs that we go to are giving & using the support of the American Sporting Dog Alliance because this, or some version of it, hits beaglers hard too and it's happening in a lot of different counties/cities and states. I cringe thinking our animal control officer could be involved in any way in evaluating anything...dog or trainer!! What a fiasco.

Dobs4ever
06-18-2009, 10:51 PM
Sue - I heard tonight on the radio that PETA is pushing for the human treatment of the house fly. That they should not be swatted or sprayed with poison but humanely caught and then released outside. Talk about your nut jobs but between PETA and The Government we are in deep Stuff neither seem to know their B.... from a hole in the ground.

Sue J
06-19-2009, 07:19 AM
The house fly??? OMG That is plain stupidity!!!

tidibole
06-19-2009, 07:26 AM
Sue - I heard tonight on the radio that PETA is pushing for the human treatment of the house fly. That they should not be swatted or sprayed with poison but humanely caught and then released outside. Talk about your nut jobs but between PETA and The Government we are in deep Stuff neither seem to know their B.... from a hole in the ground.
You have gotto be kidding? I will give them humane treatment of the housefly, right after it lands on a pile of poop and then onto their lunch...Yeah, humane...Bring out the Swatter and the Raid and I am a happy camper!!! That will be a cold day in hell!!!!Ever try to catch a fly? What outright stupidity!!!

Sue J
06-19-2009, 07:37 AM
Swatter on high alert here too, see ya in fly jail:)

tidibole
06-19-2009, 08:13 AM
I think OF ALL the OBNOXIOUS PESTS, FLIES are by far the worst, followed only by the Mosquito..Are they next? Lets save the Mosquito? YEEESSSSHHHH!!!!! It seems so ignorant that anyone or organization would make such a blatantly ignorant statement with an insect that has no viable contribution to mankind and in all actuality creates tremendous health hazards...I am thinking "the deep edge' for them!!!!Are there not more serious things in life rather than protecting a FLY....????If I had to choose I would take a roach over a fly!!!!!I simply despise them, in the house,in the barn..YUP I would be the SENIOR resident in FLY JAIL!!!!! Wish I had kept a list of ALL the things I broke trying to kill that ONE FLY!!!!

Dobs4ever
06-19-2009, 09:21 AM
This is why we must tell ALL our friends about the stupidity of PETA. So many people with great intentions just hear People for ethical treatment of animals and say YES I am for that. PETA is on the suspected gvt terrorist list for gosh sakes. If all the things they have done was known we would shutter. AND the pass out their lying propaganda in schools all the time and are poluting the minds our young impressionable children.

I have seen cars at dog shows with PETA signs on the windshield. When I tell them what PETA is really all about they are shocked. TELL EVERYONE about this group. We must educate the public and it starts with me.

RKCM
06-22-2009, 06:24 PM
PETA patter......they are a bunch of kooks.....that don't want anyone to own animals, not sure if they think it is ok that my dogs own me. LOL..

Rhiannon
06-24-2009, 03:45 PM
I like what you say RKCM regarding PETA patter....and they are definitely a bunch of kooks. I think that sometimes they get all of their hype from the well known people that support them. The public does get star struck and there are a lot of stars out there involved in PETA. They have been known to go to dog shows and turn out show dogs from their crates while they are awaiting their turns in the show ring. I used to live in Arizona and we had a cluster there where over a period of four days several dogs were turned out. One got out on the road and was hit and killed by a car. But those kooks thought that was far better than the dog being in a crate for his own safety at the show. We always keep someone with our dogs at all times when we travel or show. I will not have people telling me what they think is best for me or my dogs. And the fly thing is over the top of stupidity for sure. What will they think of next.......:( And by the way as I sit and type this post I am squashing flys that are torturing me so come on Peta come and get me........

RKCM
06-27-2009, 07:36 AM
I've heard the petapatter will let dogs out of crates at the show.....that's just wrong! Of course, when I went to the website.....they deny doing that, but don't believe anything they say. It's a shame they have support from animal lovers that don't know they think we should turn all animals loose.

They have some very misleading advertisements to raise money to put an end to purebred dogs. I bash them ever chance I get.