6 new doberman pups.

[DRLittlechickbigdiesel]

3 have already found homes and are awaiting weaning time to go to new homes.
in order male female male male female male

and no she didnt have them on this nasty blanket we moved her here today temporarily while we cleaned her whelping box.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w5nc0g.jpg

[RKCM]

I have no experience with seeing puppies that are different in color. What color are these puppies?

[OliveOil]

What gorgeous puppies! They're adorable.

[DRLittlechickbigdiesel]

black male, blue female, blue male black male red female blue male

[DRLittlechickbigdiesel]

thanks :) i love em. cant wait for them to get a little older so they can run around and be brats like puppies do. haha

[Sue J]

awww... nothin like new puppies.

[Rhiannon]

I thought only disreputable breeders bred blue dobermans now if this is not funny the same person that told me that had blues in her litter also. Go figure.

[Panama]

What color are the sire & dam? Is the dam related to Misty?

[RKCM]

Albino breeder? Health Testing? And born in the barn? WHY?

Not how things should be done friends.

[nterry]

I will just come right out and say breeding albinos is an unforgiveable mistake in dogs. Once done few will ever think you are trusting enough for their lines. And I will further say that this is not what a bed for my pups would EVER look like, bonding is important and that's not in a bed of hay with the donkeys.

Fawns were never allowed in Euro but if I'm not mistaken, blues were at one time. In the USA have a litter of blues happens but few breed for color that are ethical. But for someone that travels to all countries, I have seen a few blues that were nice dogs and many that were substandard.

Rhia, there is nothing wrong with producing blues in the US. Some of the top US lines carry a delute and since it is not disqualified as it would be in other parts of the world, it is acceptable.

[Our Girl Pearl]

Do your sire and dam have the z line?

[Rhiannon]

Do your sire and dam have the z line?

No if you are asking me absolutely not. I am strictly operation white out. I have never ever owned a z-factored dog nor would I. :eek:

[Our Girl Pearl]

No if you are asking me absolutely not. I am strictly operation white out. I have never ever owned a z-factored dog nor would I. :eek:

No I was asking the OP, sorry I should have been a little clearer on who I was posing that question to.

[RKCM]

The OP has bred Z and albinos and posted that they were rescues on a site. Several of us have read the information and I believe another member kept the pictures. Shocking honestly. I think it was on her webpage that is now down. Breeding rescues to an albino bone skinny bitch, sorry but it was shocking to say the least. Be aware some people will do anything.

[Logan]

No if you are asking me absolutely not. I am strictly operation white out. I have never ever owned a z-factored dog nor would I. :eek:

I own a Z factored dog, so now what. Would i breed him, no, he is neuter. But don't make it sound like its something wrong with them, besides that they are z fatored.

[RKCM]

I own a Z factored dog, so now what. Would i breed him, no, he is neuter. But don't make it sound like its something wrong with them, besides that they are z fatored.

Logan, there is nothing wrong with a rescue and if they are Z or albino. Good for you for neutered your dog and that was not done with the OP. There is something wrong in my opinion with breeding a rescue that is an albino and this was what was stated publicly. I find that double dog wrong! Rescues should be fixed and albino or Z factored never bred because of the health issues that are clearly documented in reseach.

The health of a Z factored dogs may or may not have inherited the deafness, sensitive to light, and other genetic factors that affect the breed. This is why the AKC notes them with a Z on their papers and that they are disqualified in the show ring. Yet some that could care less still breed them.

Nothing wrong with owning one Logan. And you did right, not everyone does are there would not be albinos or Z's continued with the health issued associated. Nothing against you.

[Panama]

First, I do not support or condone the breeding of Albinos or Z Factored Dobes

Second, and just for the record, Z Factored Dobermans (of an allowed color) are not disqualified from the show ring in any venue.

I've yet to find any that have ventured into the show ring, and I've tried getting a few to come with or without their dogs, and they either backed out, or I never heard another word from them or about their dog(s).

[RKCM]

First, I do not support or condone the breeding of Albinos or Z Factored Dobes

Second, and just for the record, Z Factored Dobermans (of an allowed color) are not disqualified from the show ring in any venue. I think it is a big waste of money to show them personally though. Maybe in obedience, but no reason in the show ring- as it is the for dogs that are presumably to be bred to improve.

I've yet to find any that have ventured into the show ring, and I've tried getting a few to come with or without their dogs, and they either backed out, or I never heard another word from them or about their dog(s).

I didn't mean to post that Z factored dogs could not be shown. I meant Albino dobermans are a disqualification in the AKC ring.

About a year ago, I did see a Z factored dog compete. The judge doesn't know as the name of the dogs and # is hidden from the judge but it never won points. They stopped showing the dog and frankly, have never even heard one that is an AKC Champion, but there could be one or ? In 40 years, I have never even seen one shown except for this one. Not been in dobermans for that long but been to shows since I could walk. LOL.

Sorry if I miss spoke but was referring to albinos. For pets, rescues and fix, they are fine and would hope they don't have the health problems associated with dogs that carry this.

The problem with the OP is that she posted that a rescue was bred and had pictures of her male breeding a white bitch that was in very poor condition. I think you have that picture, Panama, and folks, it is sad.

[Panama]

Yeah, she was proud of her rescues producing puppies. And yes, there is a picture that she had posted of her white female with her black male. I remember when she was questioned about the Dobes, she pulled all of them off her page.

[RKCM]

That's why we are upset honestly, has nothing to do with owning a neutered Z or albino, but again you support what you buy and by that I don't mean a rescue. That is just my standard.

I guess, when she used me as a reference trying to buy a dog in Texas that it didn't set too well with me either. I was the wrong person for that for sure. LOL. I guess, she didn't think I'd be called. And the dog she was trying to buy was related to my Dagger, just would of wrecked me if that would of happened.

[SASK9]

Anyone who is proud of their rescues producing puppies are just disgusting and shouldn't own dogs.

I have a Z/White Dobie rescue girl, she is amazing, and absolutely beautiful, but I tell people on a daily basis that it is defective and should not be promoted (I tell people I realize I sound hypocritical)
They should not be bred, and people need to be more careful.

(My white girl will get fixed next month)


Concerned with the puppies living conditions? Why on hay?.. =/

[RKCM]

Glad you have your rescue girl and are acting responsible. So sad when some do not. And breeding a rescue? Why wasn't that rescue fixed in the 1st place. That's neglect too. I agree with you SAS and the hay bothered me too......geeze!

Love to see more pictures of her.