Question on AKC Registration

[Dobs4ever]

I have had a challenge getting people to send in REG on puppies and would like some input. I do not understand why you would pay good money for an AKC reg dog from titled, health tested parents and then not complete the registration.

I never give out reg papers with a puppy - they get them after the vet inspection and I know that they are happy with the puppy. My contract states that whether the puppy is pet registration or full it must be reg with AKC by 8 months which I feel is reasonable.

But since I am proud of every single dog I have ever produced I want them reg. With this litter I am not even going to send out AKC papers at all- I am going to register the entire litter on line and then I can check to see who has not reg their puppy and follow up.

Any ideas on how to make sure all puppies are reg? I feel strongly that every puppy is entitled to the heritage and reg that helps validate that puppy and and that one part of standing behind a puppy is to make sure it is reg so people know who bred it. Too many unreg dobes end up in rescue because they don't know who the breeder is. I would never ever place a puppy or dog unregistered or inb jeporady by withholding papers.

Any one else experience this problem - all ideas welcome

[Rhiannon]

I have had a challenge getting people to send in REG on puppies and would like some input. I do not understand why you would pay good money for an AKC reg dog from titled, health tested parents and then not complete the registration.

I never give out reg papers with a puppy - they get them after the vet inspection and I know that they are happy with the puppy. My contract states that whether the puppy is pet registration or full it must be reg with AKC by 8 months which I feel is reasonable.

But since I am proud of every single dog I have ever produced I want them reg. With this litter I am not even going to send out AKC papers at all- I am going to register the entire litter on line and then I can check to see who has not reg their puppy and follow up.

Any ideas on how to make sure all puppies are reg? I feel strongly that every puppy is entitled to the heritage and reg that helps validate that puppy and and that one part of standing behind a puppy is to make sure it is reg so people know who bred it. Too many unreg dobes end up in rescue because they don't know who the breeder is. I would never ever place a puppy or dog unregistered or inb jeporady by withholding papers.

Any one else experience this problem - all ideas welcome

I too have had the problem and have decided to do the same thing that you are doing with your current litter. I don't understand either why people spend so much money on a nice puppy and then neglect to send in the paperwork for another additional $20.00. Just does not make any sense to me at all. I also am questioning if it is smart for all breeders to make sure that they tattoo the dog with it AKC number ....just an additional method of getting a dog back to a breeder if lost or placed without the breeder knowing it. I think that this may be what the AKC might have been thinking could help when they started offering the breeders the option of registering the entire litter. I also think that it would help when you get a dog back from a buyer and then decide it could be shown or titled in some venue to have a name that is far better than some of the names I have seen on papers...:rolleyes: LOL.

[Dobs4ever]

To me the tattoo is useless. Especially a long # like the AKC #. As the dog grows it stretches and is basically unreadable plus the challenge of getting a good imprint. On a black dog as they grow their skin turns dark also - Shrock is tattooed but as soon as I got him that boy was microchipped. I microchip all my puppies so identification is not a problem. I have microchipped for years and it did save a puppy and helped get it returned to the owners.

You know I know breeders who register the puppies but I am really against giving AKC extra money to do the same thing for the same dog. Aren't I petty!!! But I just think after we spend the money to title, train, show, health test and then reg and DNA test that they have gotten to us enough. I think each litter registraion should allow you a place to name the puppies when they assign the litter reg # - I would not mind paying an extra $20 to 25 dollars per litter to have them reg but I think it is greedy to charge to reg the litter, charge the breeder to reg the puppy and then charge the person to transfer the puppy - They are hitting us 3 times for the same puppy.

[Big Dogs]

Not being a breeder and looking at your situation from the non breeder side is you have to motivate people sometimes. Sometimes as crazy as this may sound people get cheap and here is what I mean. We have had people pay good money for a training program and never finish it for what ever the reason. So we decided to motivate and manipulate them for lack of a better way of saying it to finish the course that they payed for by offering them part of there money back upon completion of the course. We have more people completing the courses. I think you could adopt a version of this in your situation will it work for everyone probably not but people are motivated by money and you could build the incentive into the price of the sale. Sorry it's the business side of me.

[Dobs4ever]

Big Dogs that is a brillant idea. It is true I communicate with them and have only had a few people not follow through, but I really never ask did you send in your paperwork as that is always the first thing I do. They don't reregister their microchip either for the most part but since I purchase them from Avid I am the recorded owner so at least I would get notified of a lost dog and could contact the owners myself.

[Rhiannon]

Big Dogs that is a brillant idea. It is true I communicate with them and have only had a few people not follow through, but I really never ask did you send in your paperwork as that is always the first thing I do. They don't reregister their microchip either for the most part but since I purchase them from Avid I am the recorded owner so at least I would get notified of a lost dog and could contact the owners myself.


Or even possibly charge $50 extra for the price of a dog and send in the AKC registration ourselves and make sure the microchip is registered as well. Fill out the paperwork when they pickup the dog and tell them that in an effort to make sure that all dogs from a litter are registered just in case .....ever lost or stolen rescues and the breeders have a definite means of identifying the dog. I would even add that due to the fact that breeders are dealing with so much anti-breeding legislation this is our way of ensuring that we can still maintain the right to breed a litter of puppies by being a responsible breeder. Since this would work better than a tattoo I am thinking that this would work better for me to ensure that we have a permanent means of Id for the dog...........

[Dobs4ever]

Rhiannon - I had thought of a version of that - Have them give me a check already made out to AKC for registration. I will tell you why I don't fill in the paperwork until after the vet check and they are happy --- I learned this a long time ago and it has never happened to me but just in case I fill in paperwork after 2 weeks - that way if I should ever get a puppy right back I still have good paperwork that is not messed up with incorrect name.

I have never had this happen but it made sense to me years ago so it is how I have done it. I like the idea of getting a check at the time the pick up the puppy for the AKC reg and chip transfer made out to AKC and AVID. That way I can fill in paperwork and send it off for them.

I am also going to send out reminders. Sorry I hate paperwork so have not done remineder e mails. Now what does that tell you???? I need to get my act together.

[Rhiannon]

Rhiannon - I had thought of a version of that - Have them give me a check already made out to AKC for registration. I will tell you why I don't fill in the paperwork until after the vet check and they are happy --- I learned this a long time ago and it has never happened to me but just in case I fill in paperwork after 2 weeks - that way if I should ever get a puppy right back I still have good paperwork that is not messed up with incorrect name.

I have never had this happen but it made sense to me years ago so it is how I have done it. I like the idea of getting a check at the time the pick up the puppy for the AKC reg and chip transfer made out to AKC and AVID. That way I can fill in paperwork and send it off for them.

I am also going to send out reminders. Sorry I hate paperwork so have not done remineder e mails. Now what does that tell you???? I need to get my act together.

And I had not thought about that aspect of selling a puppy. So see between all of us on this thread I do believe we have come up with a very good solution. :D

[RKCM]

About the only way to make sure all the puppies are registered is do it yourself.

[Rhiannon]

About the only way to make sure all the puppies are registered is do it yourself.

I agree which is what I will be doing here from now on. And we will also be doing the microchip. Is there any one microchipping system better than the other......?

[RKCM]

I've heard you can easily do it yourself but always had my vet do it. Home again......I think.

[Dobs4ever]

I prefer the Avid. I used to use Home again but their chip can't be as easily read. So I use Avid chips and have a home again scanner. Works great. I have my vet insert them when puppies are getting ears done. That way they are out and don't feel it.

[Rhiannon]

I was just wondering if anyone else has done registering of the entire litters yet at all. I have not done it yet but I have the registration papers on my current babies and I think I am going to send them in so that I can pick the names I would like for the puppies.

[RKCM]

I know that if u dont register the litter that the new owners can change the name etc. It ensures the puppies are reg. and akc gives a discount for breeders. I am considering it but have never reg. each pup before.

[Mac]

I would like to register the entire litter to ensure the pups carry our name, but I feel that the new owners have the right to name their baby the rest of the name themselves, so I just put the stipulation in the contract to include our kennel name and write it on the reg. papers.

[Rhiannon]

I don't think that I came up with this before but if I did sorry guys. I think that what I will do is have the people when they pick up the puppy write a separate check to AKC. We will fill out the paperwork together and I will have an envelope addressed and stamped in the packet and then I will put it in the mail myself. Then they can help name the puppies and I only would be picky about the ones that were going in the show ring. Then everyone gets to help with the naming and we can make sure that all paperwork is sent into AKC. I think that is going to work for us. :) My bad I checked back through the thread and saw where I had decided this already. I guess it is a case of Sometimers. LOL.

[RKCM]

That's an option. I guess, they do have a right to name the puppy. Enforcing contracts can be costly and I think why some people register the puppy. Maybe to carry their kennel name. Some people just don't follow their word. But good point and guess, I will consider registering them all next time. AKC does support many dog activities and this is one way to support them without breaking my bank...lol. Good read.

[Panama]

This is what is on the Name Change application:

I (we) certify that the dog named above, for which I (we) now apply to change the name subject to AKC requirements, has not produced or sired an AKC-registered litter or received an award at an AKC-licensed or member event. I (we) understand that the consent of the litter owner(s) is required only if the litter owner(s) is the first AKC-registered owner(s) of this dog.

However, on the website, it states:
The name of an AKC registered dog may be changed provided the dog was whelped in the United States. Further, in cases where the litter owner(s) first individually registered the dog, the litter owner(s) written consent shall be required. A dog name containing a Registered Kennel Name cannot be changed without the written consent of the owner(s) of that Registered Kennel Name. However, no change in name will be recorded by the American Kennel Club after the dog has produced or sired an AKC registered litter or has received an award at an AKC-licensed or member event. Any name change must comply with all AKC requirements.

So unless the pup is individually registered to the litter owner first, the name can be changed. If you do not have a Registered Kennel Name, but use a Kennel Name and the pup is individually registered to the litter owner first, they do not need the litter owner's consent to change the name. (???)

Am I reading that correctly?

[RKCM]

Thanks Pananama

[Dobs4ever]

I did do the online reg for my last litter and am very pleased with how it worked out. AKC has a wonderful section for breeders where you can log in and go look at reg and see who has and who has not reg their dog yet. This is an invaluable tool for breeders. They have made it very easy to reg litters on line also as all the dogs you own are listed so once you log in you do not have to dig out papers to get the certificate issue date.