anyone ever used red cell vitimin supplement?

[diesel]

was thinking about trying it out.

[Big Dogs]

Diesel I was just reading and answering your other post, I haven't used red cell vitamin supplement although we have used vitamin supplements in the past like pet tab which worked well. We also use a feeding plan that has worked well for us that we received from a breeder developed by Pen State University it really helps there coats and no discomfort from growing pains. I'f you want more info on it PM me. I's this your first Dobe?

[diesel]

thanks for the reply and yes first dobe.

[Big Dogs]

Enjoy and as my wife would say they addiction of owning a Dobe.

[Rhiannon]

I use red cell for my dogs and my horses. Especially good if you have someone recovering from surgery. We have used it for years now and love it. I put it in with their dog food. We even start our puppies on it before they can do the chewables.

[Rhiannon]

Enjoy and as my wife would say they addiction of owning a Dobe.

My husband always says that Dobermans are like Lays potato chips. You can't have just one. :D

[diesel]

I use red cell for my dogs and my horses. Especially good if you have someone recovering from surgery. We have used it for years now and love it. I put it in with their dog food. We even start our puppies on it before they can do the chewables.

What has it done for the dogs will it make a larger dog in the end or what? I like a big dog I can't stand the scawny looking dobermans with no chest.

will this help with that and to put on muscle?

[Big Dogs]

Diesel all of our Dobes have been larger and the Dobe we have now is a big Euro boy. He would never do well in a show ring in America but that isn't what we do with our dogs. Here are a few things to remember your dog has a genetic make up and you can't alter that so if you liked what his parents looked like than you will probably like what he looks like. As far as supplements there bodies will only absorb so much the rest will go out in his urine. What you can do by feeding him high protein dog food and giving him allot of supplements is health problems latter on. A good dog food and regular exercise will go allot farther in achieving his full potential.

[diesel]

Diesel all of our Dobes have been larger and the Dobe we have now is a big Euro boy. He would never do well in a show ring in America but that isn't what we do with our dogs. Here are a few things to remember your dog has a genetic make up and you can't alter that so if you liked what his parents looked like than you will probably like what he looks like. As far as supplements there bodies will only absorb so much the rest will go out in his urine. What you can do by feeding him high protein dog food and giving him allot of supplements is health problems latter on. A good dog food and regular exercise will go allot farther in achieving his full potential.

Sire weighs 90lbs and the mother right at 80lbs.

They said the sire to the mother was huge what you call a "warlock" which is a myth but that he would be put into that category due to his larger than normal size. So, I'm hopeing for 90lbs PLUS and I will be happy.

infact here is a pic of the parent's think they will make a dog of any size or no? they looked on the larger side of dobies in person to me.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/weider1717/1128091608a951215141.jpg

[Rhiannon]

Big Dogs is right the supplements will not make them any bigger. They are what they are going to be due to their genetic makeup. You can do some muscling but you cannot make a dog bigger than what they are meant to be. You might make them fatter...LOL....but that is pretty much it. You cannot affect the amount of bone and substance in my opinion that is predetermined.

[Big Dogs]

I would say your chances of having a large boy are good. The one thing to remember is they start to loose some agility the larger they get. We came back from a vet visit with our Dobe Savage they other day and he weighed 124 at 31 1/2 inches at the shoulder and there is no fat at all on him he gets worked 30 minutes twice a day and would work longer if there wasn't other dogs too work also. He spends allot of time following me around and playing with our Great Dane but his favorite thing to do is work. I actually would have liked him to be a little smaller but I new he was going to be big his father is a little taller than him but he has a great work attitude and a great temperament which was what I was interested in.

[diesel]

wow 124lbs! what a dobe.

and I agree I will just have to wait and see how he turns out. The sire in the pic like I said the breeders said weighs 90lbs and that looked to be right in person.

I have a 97-100lbs lab that is huge for a lab not that fat just a HUGE lab could loose a little tho.

and this doberman looked taller, leaner but taller.

here is the lab and like I said he has weighed 97lbs at the vet and today at his older age is slighty heavier since he was last weighed.
yes he could loose a few. Anyway thats what I used to judge their male and he looked 90lbs to me. Which is plenty of size I just hope he doesn't end up one of those 75lb males. I got pick of litter and there was 9 males and 1 female and the pup I picked (diesel) was the 2nd biggest of the males there was one slighty larger but him and the slighty larger male were a lot bigger than the rest but I liked his darker rust colored markings so I choose him.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/weider1717/Pictures028.jpg

[Rhiannon]

He looks like a very happy healthy lab. I hear that they are great dogs also.

[diesel]

He looks like a very happy healthy lab. I hear that they are great dogs also.

Boy is that ever a different thought about the picture than dobermantalk.com people gave me.

those people are arrogant pricks! they started into he's mixed to be that big must be mixed with a mastiff. How I am cruel for having him over weight he's barely over weight IMO I mean the dog is 12 years old!

glad this forum has more common sense.

[Big Dogs]

I have only been on that Forum a couple of times and it is a rough crowed. Having had a couple of labs years ago I think he looks great. I would say if he is 12 years old you have been doing something wright. I also like the heads on your Dobes parents I like the muzzle on them Savages muzzle isn't quite as square but he is the apple in his fathers eye as my wife would say! I also like there medium cropped ears I prefer it over the show crop and since I do not show it works for me. Some day I will learn how to post pictures and add some.

[Sue J]

What do you plan to do with Deisel? show, work, etc? I don't show so I'm no expert but like BigDogs, I like their square muzzles. They seem to be pretty good size too. I think the rule of thumb is that the offspring inherit 60% from the dam. I would guess your boy should be good size. --My brother has a full blood lab that looks just like yours and what a nice girl she is. She weighs about 80 lbs. and not fat. Labs are nice dogs.

[Sue J]

P.S. Post a pic of your pup...or did I miss it?

[diesel]

here he was at 4 weeks when the breeder was taking him and the others for another vet check. They happened to snap this pic which looked like he as winking and sent it to us before we got him. I'll make current ones when I happend to think to tomorrow.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/weider1717/18480_277529418199_521623199_448602.jpg

[Sue J]

AWWWWWW!!!! Just look at that pretty baby boy. Makes me want another puppy :) :)